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Old 04-29-2017, 01:06 PM
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Default Polecat - Envy lovechild

If one looks at all of the criteria I have listed above, one will see I would love to see a Polecat - Envy lovechild. Both those discs have magical flights, but to get the best of both discs, I think the diameter will have to be a touch larger than the Polecat, but no need to go as large as the Zephyr.

Even make a disc nearly as good as either of the above, and I can guarantee that I will have several people ready to buy one.

This is the most excited I have been over a new disc in a good while. Keep up the good work
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:09 AM
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PDGA LEGAL: YES

GLIDE: High

NEUTRALITY: Neutral

DIAMETER: 21.0

RIM DEPTH: As shallow as we can make glide well

SHOULDER: Rounded shoulder but at a very low radius; preserve majority of edge as flat wall.

THUMTRAC: If present must be raised (birdie, rhyno) not depressed (banger GT)

RINGS OF HEDRICK: YES

RAISED CENTER: NO

DOME: Slight dome (allows for better nose-up glide for air bounce shots)

OVERMOLD: NO

RIM "BEAD" RADIUS: As large as possible (bottom rim at full disc diameter)

BEVELED EDGE: No bevel, make it a lid.

INTERNAL RIM TO FLIGHTPLATE TRANSITION RADIUS: Sharp as can be made durable

PLUS RIM: NO NO NO

WEIGHTS: From 150g to max pdga
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I don't agree with Sonic on much (except that The Flying Burrito Brothers are amazing) but I agree with everything he said here. My vote is the same as his.

*edit*

Maybe the only difference would be if Rings of Hedrick are necessary with a Thumtrac.
Another vote for this design, everything except the Rings of Hendrick.
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:17 AM
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Status update:

There are a few disc donations that I'm still waiting to receive. I don't know how long they will take to arrive so I will begin scanning what I have today.

The primary attribute I'm hoping to analyze is the weight allocation - % of weight distributed in the rim vs % in the flight path. Nailing this ratio will be the keystone to a successful design IMO.

I will also be interested to see if the flight plates have consistent thickness or if the thickness varies as it radiates out toward the perimeter.

Question for DGCR:
Is there anything else that needs special attention?

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Status update:

There are a few disc donations that I'm still waiting to receive. I don't know how long they will take to arrive so I will begin scanning what I have today.
What else are you needing? I can loan you an Envy if needed.

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The primary attribute I'm hoping to analyze is the weight allocation - % of weight distributed in the rim vs % in the flight path. Nailing this ratio will be the keystone to a successful design IMO.
I am going to vote for heavy percentage of weight on the rim, both for the gyro effect and that it has a better hand feel on lighter discs.

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Old 05-03-2017, 02:03 PM
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my suggestion:
As a compromise, what does DGCR think of the idea of incorporating some faint Juju-style divots (or similar) for those that want to use them but enough area in between the divots so that you can avoid them if you want the feel of a traditional flight plate?
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I'm really looking forward to moving forward with this awesome DGCR project
Instead of divots, I would suggest grip pads like the old Sinus. Those alone almost made be bag a Sinus.

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Well i think the juju was a lot of fun and putted/ threw well but not sure how the peeps would like that style.

I said 3 pads as that gives easy grip regardless of preference but im not sure about a lid.

So... Yes and no? Lol!
I just Agreed with Aim....the world is ending

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Old 05-03-2017, 02:53 PM
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^not quite. Arkansas hasnt frozen over yet.
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The Sinus pads are pretty sweet, like them a lot for touchy FH shots
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...I can loan you an Envy if needed...
I really appreciate the offer but that is not one of the discs that I need.
All of the disc molds I need are supposed to be in the mail. But I'm impatient and want to start scanning now

I really appreciate all the donation offers and a special thanks to all who have sent me discs!
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Old 05-04-2017, 01:33 PM
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Here is the first stab at 3D scanning and analyzing a Polecat:

After scanning the disc I separated it into two separate pieces. The flat of the inner rim- complete with draft angle- was the plane I used to split the disc.

I found out that there is:
---total of 15.55 cubic inches of material (80.9% of the mass)
---12.58 cubic inches of material in the rim (19.1% of the mass)
---2.97 cubic inches of material in the flight plate

there are a few kinks to work out in the process but these are very close "rough" numbers.

I believe the weight allocation ratio is critical to get the flight we want. I'll analyze a few more lids and see if this ratio holds true.

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sorry, I just noticed that I messed up the original post; it should have read:
I found out that there is:
---total of 15.55 cubic inches of material
---12.58 cubic inches of material in the rim (80.9% of the mass)
---2.97 cubic inches of material in the flight plate (19.1% of the mass)

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