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Old 08-21-2017, 04:04 PM
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If you look at this map, the wind, almost always this time of year, blows straight down no1's fairway towards the basket.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:19 PM
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See also: orientation of CVG's runways. Almost all are 18/36.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:23 PM
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Surprised we haven't got any, "That course has too many trees" posts. Not sure I would totally agree with that, but there are a couple I would cut down if it was my course. A couple of those have already fallen in the last couple years. Mainly I think they should cut that 12ft tall stump down on no10(old 8) on the left side not too far from the tee. It's already dead and it would make for a much more exciting hole, imo

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Old 08-21-2017, 04:28 PM
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Also, the first tree on the left side of no14(old13) There is already a tight gap farther down, so this tree is really only there to force a FH, or an extremely difficult turnover from the right corner of the teepad.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:30 PM
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Surprised we haven't got any, "That course has too many trees" posts. Not sure I would totally agree with that, but there are a couple I would cut down if it was my course. A couple of those have already fallen in the last couple years. Mainly I think they should cut that 12ft tall stump down on no10(old 8) on the left side not too far from the tee. It's already dead and it would make for a much more exciting hole, imo
A few of the FPO players I talked with during the event suggested that some of the pars out there would be a little more realistic/the course would've just played better with a few trees taken out of fairways here and there, but they also qualified those statements with a lot of compliments about the course and how the event was run. Overall I'd say positive reviews on the course from them, and fans seemed to have enjoyed it in general as well.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:37 PM
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See also: orientation of CVG's runways. Almost all are 18/36.
Just looked up runway numbering because I had no clue what you were talking about.

So, that's what I learned today.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:08 PM
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I've never seen a hole with such a wide scoring spread; not even that time I accidentally combined the data from a short hole and a long hole. This was literally off the chart, as I usually set the upper limit of the graph at 4.5 or sometimes 5.

Due to the "loudest voice in the room" effect, this hole had a big influence on the total results. I'm not sure I like the idea that the number of times you landed inches away from getting back onto short grass is such a big part of results.



Here are the details on the two "edge case" holes.

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Old 08-21-2017, 06:44 PM
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I spotted on 16 Saturday. Not my first time spotting that hole. First time I've ever seen the prairie grass as OB though. Many shots 1st, 2nd, 3rd were just inches from the OB line. Catrina Allen had what looked like a really good hyzer off the tee. Then it barely caught the OB grass with no skip keeping her inches from being in bounds. She seemed over the course at that point. Felt kind of bad for her.

It was a brutal hole for sure.

Then Sunday we played the course, same layout as the Open. I went OB on every shot. 2nd to last shot was a downhill bomb that was inches OB just like many I witnessed Saturday. Last shot caught a tree and landed in the creek. Recorded a 10. Made it easy to count though: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10. Should have just thrown something short and inbounds.
I saw Catrina play most of her 2nd and 3rd round. She was done WELL before that. She was talking to herself a lot.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:22 PM
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I'm quite impressed with local knowledge and commentary about Idelwild. Thanks!
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:26 PM
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I saw Catrina play most of her 2nd and 3rd round. She was done WELL before that. She was talking to herself a lot.
She seems to really dislike and struggle with wooded courses like Idlewild that force you to shape throws to fit the fairways rather than allow you to constantly play to your strengths and essentially force your preferred shots on to the course. To be fair to her, it was set up this weekend as a true Gold level course and she is not a Gold level player (nor is any female player in the world). So I'd expect there to be struggles and other issues affecting all of the women playing a course like that.

But, it's not the first time she's struggled with wooded courses that demand accuracy with a variety of shots to navigate the course. She had trouble with the courses at US Women's last year, and wasn't shy about criticizing their "lack of good fairways". And those courses were definitely more suited for challenging a Blue level player (970-ish) like herself in the same way Idlewild challenges the Gold level (1020+) level players. But they are all similar in how they require precision flights through the fairways and landing in the right spots to be in position for the next shot.

That type of course always vexes a fair percentage of the touring players (male and female) because there is an element of familiarity required to maximize one's ability to master the course. Call it "local" knowledge if you want, but sometimes the right lines and/or landing zones aren't readily apparent to someone playing the course for the first time (or who has only put in 2-3 practice rounds on the course before playing the tournament).

They (the lines and zones) are there and they're painfully obvious once you recognize them, but for those with the mindset of stepping to the tee and just trying to blast it as far down the fairway as possible, they struggle with the subtleties of placement golf. Not every 450 foot hole is designed to be reached by players who can throw 450+, but they all seem to want it to be the case or the hole is "unfair" or "flukey" or "stupid". Idlewild is full of holes like that, IMO. That's why it's so great.

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