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Old 10-31-2019, 06:13 AM
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I throw kinda far, currently reworking form but the other day hit 550 with a distance driver (moderately OS catalyst; speed 13) however, on a similar rip, I tossed a Volt 475-500 (speed 8). I was sitting here thinking to myself tonight after throwing a little bit just how much more consistently I throw my Volts than my distance drivers, and how they aren’t too far off distance wise.
?? Usually this kind of revelation is for people who throw around 300-350 and realize they can throw a fairway or mid and get similar results and better control. Throwing 550 is not something casually done, that puts you in a very small group of people to be honest. And you're just now realizing throwing slower speed discs give you more control? If you don't mind me asking, do you play rounds, tournaments, etc? Surely you would have realized this a long time ago if you do. OR....perhaps you have skipped competitive play in return for just having fun learning how to crush? Would love to hear more about your journey to 550, those are distances 99% of us here dream about! Congrats!!
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Old 10-31-2019, 06:53 AM
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Only 6 players beat 550ft at the "Long Drive at 2019 Pro Worlds" . . .so 550ft is rare

I´m glad if i can go over 350ft. . and for me a 350ft Shryke throw is a good one. . . but i can throw a 7-speed luster Leo3 300-330ft. . .and my Buzzz 280ft

So not much use for the Shryke. . but it´s fun to throw

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Old 10-31-2019, 11:31 AM
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?? Usually this kind of revelation is for people who throw around 300-350 and realize they can throw a fairway or mid and get similar results and better control. Throwing 550 is not something casually done, that puts you in a very small group of people to be honest. And you're just now realizing throwing slower speed discs give you more control? If you don't mind me asking, do you play rounds, tournaments, etc? Surely you would have realized this a long time ago if you do. OR....perhaps you have skipped competitive play in return for just having fun learning how to crush? Would love to hear more about your journey to 550, those are distances 99% of us here dream about! Congrats!!
Well it’s not a pretty one I can tell you that much haha.
That’s not a usual rip but it is one I managed to get; flat ground at etowah Park (cartersville GA area) I was throwing with a light headwind (3-4 MPH) and flipped it over too much on 17, a wide open 575 foot hole. It’s a dogleg left after about 450; I ended up missing the dogleg so I went straight instead of the straight to left (think fly route instead of post route in football) and went 50 feet or so past the pin. Little bit of quick mental geometry roughed it at 525-550.

That’s a bigger throw than normal and I was throwing better than normal that day. I’m coming off rotator cuff surgery and really kinda have terrible bracing and lower body/back movement but for whatever reason have some kind of wicked snap. I’ve been playing about 3 months back since my surgery last year (started early August playing again for real) and just did my first tournament in a couple years. 20 years old if it matters haha. Ended up playing poorly because as far as I throw it’s wildly inconsistent. I’m actively experimenting with my throwing motion trying to get it clean/tension free so I can hit better lines more consistently but yeah that’s about it haha. Playing more practice rounds than any competitive rounds, a few friendly tossed in their bur moslty field work. Would honestly much rather throw 400 with clean honest form consistently than do what I do now; with a lot of natural snap it gets really easy to strongarm it and then totally disregard fluid motion. Hope that was at least worth the read!

As far as why I’m just now deciding/realizing this, I grew tired of missing my lines all the time and knowing I was capable of more, and have only really played a few months since a couple year’s break. Played a tournament at North Georgia Canopy Tours and in tournament regularly tossed my straight to little fade Volt 400+, sometimes in the high 4’s but that was downhill.

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Old 10-31-2019, 11:47 AM
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I can max out at 440' or so...but I doubt I've ever thrown that far on the course, as an actual in round shot. I'm mainly between 380-400'. At that distance, I don't need fast drivers (I carry 2 discs over speed 9, both hurricanes) and don't particularly throw them that often. The trade-off of gaining 30-50 extra feet usually isn't worth the risk of losing the accuracy.

90% of players don't really need anything over speed 9/10. Can there be uses for faster discs? Yes. I'm a huge proponent of using the slowest disc you can reach a specific landing spot with. I tend to throw putters and mids a lot more than the guys I normally play with.

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Old 10-31-2019, 01:56 PM
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I think one important thing to add to the "Throw the slowest disc that can get there" theory is to throw what also requires the least effort. So if you have a 275' straight shot with a somewhat limited ceiling, it may require less effort with a straight mid even though a putter could be punched hard and get there.

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Old 10-31-2019, 02:59 PM
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I think one important thing to add to the "Throw the slowest disc that can get there" theory is to throw what also requires the least effort. So if you have a 275' straight shot with a somewhat limited ceiling, it may require less effort with a straight mid even though a putter could be punched hard and get there.
Or more accurately the saying is incomplete. "throw the slowest disc that can reach the target at 70% power" Is probably a better way of stating it.

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Old 10-31-2019, 07:17 PM
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Blake T, a DIsc Golf Review guru, suggested 50’ short of your max distance with a mold as a happy median for distance with accuracy. I can throw a Teebird 360’ but if the hole is 360’, I’m probably reaching for my Orc.

Keep in mind that Blake T was referring to people that get a “full hit” 440’+ for that 50’ less than max but I think the OP’s distance more than qualifies.

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Old 10-31-2019, 08:55 PM
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How much more distance do you get with your max distance drivers vs control drivers?

30-50 ft. Teebirds are traveling 350 max 330 avg and Raiders are 400 max 375 avg. I think people would be better served in understanding the difference between max and avg distance and how it affects your game and shot selection.

How much more accurate are you with your control drivers?

I am only more accurate in the sense that faster discs tend to deviate from their line more often at the end of their flights. They tend to naturally fade harder when they lose speed so slower neutral discs tend to finish straighter.

What are the benefits/drawbacks to completely ditching the high-speed stuff in favor of slightly more lower speed stuff?

It depends on your skill level and the courses you play. A rec or intermediate player could actually see some benefit as they are not seeing as much distance difference between these speeds. The slower discs will be easier to control, hit lines with, and will finish straighter than max speed discs. Also, if you are playing wooded courses, the premium for hitting lines vs max distance goes up and vice versa for open courses. The advanced and pro player should know when it is worth it to disc up or just take the fairway driver. The closer you can get to the hole the lower your score will be. That extra 30 ft between your driver and fairway could be the difference between a circle 1 and a circle 2 putt.

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Old 10-31-2019, 09:23 PM
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Speed 9 is the tops most people need.

In an open, flat field on a calm day, I can top out at 425-435 with my seasoned Tournament World. However, more often than not, on holes where I need all of that distance, the hole is still long enough where being at 425 versus 380-390 is not going to make a difference in my upshot game. The majority of what I see in holes in the 300-400 range are wooded tunnels or at least well-shaped city park holes. At that point, I am pulling a little back on the World in order to better hit the line I need. At that point, I find that with a well executed shot, my Roadrunner can actually out-distance my Worlds and Defenders.

So, in the last month, I have pulled a lot of discs out of the bag, keeping one World and one Defender, and putting in four Roadrunners and two FDs (which are essentially a slightly more stable version of the Barsby Roadrunner).

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Speed 9 is the tops most people need.

In an open, flat field on a calm day, I can top out at 425-435 with my seasoned Tournament World. However, more often than not, on holes where I need all of that distance, the hole is still long enough where being at 425 versus 380-390 is not going to make a difference in my upshot game. The majority of what I see in holes in the 300-400 range are wooded tunnels or at least well-shaped city park holes. At that point, I am pulling a little back on the World in order to better hit the line I need. At that point, I find that with a well executed shot, my Roadrunner can actually out-distance my Worlds and Defenders.

So, in the last month, I have pulled a lot of discs out of the bag, keeping one World and one Defender, and putting in four Roadrunners and two FDs (which are essentially a slightly more stable version of the Barsby Roadrunner).
I would say speed 10 or 11 depending on the company and how wide the rim ore is about Max for players. Players can get speed 12 if they the average player stays under the 175 gram max weight by 8-9 grams or more and are not getting baseline plastics as then 170 grams or lighter and getting 3-4 grams more then what one would normally get to help with the much quicker wear. FD is the old Road Runner bottom and a Valkyrie top, at least I think it is? the top looks like a Valkyrie.
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