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Old 01-27-2020, 09:41 AM
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How do you feel the envy compares to the particle, flight wise? I have been contemplating a switch.
I've been throwing both in the past year. The Particle is faster with a later fade that bites a little harder. Due to the speed the Particle likes lower lines and stalls easily for a putter with a little too much nose up.. The Envy starts fading earlier, but it is a more gradual and forward motion.

Overall I found the Particle a little too strange for my golf game, but it does some really impressive things. It can take some power on a slight anny and just bomb, with the stability bringing it back for a huge S turn. It's probably the farthest flying overmold putter for me without a tailwind.
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:14 AM
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I've been throwing both in the past year. The Particle is faster with a later fade that bites a little harder. Due to the speed the Particle likes lower lines and stalls easily for a putter with a little too much nose up.. The Envy starts fading earlier, but it is a more gradual and forward motion.

Overall I found the Particle a little too strange for my golf game, but it does some really impressive things. It can take some power on a slight anny and just bomb, with the stability bringing it back for a huge S turn. It's probably the farthest flying overmold putter for me without a tailwind.


My go to throwing putter is an ion, with the particle as an OS partner. Is the envy OS enough to not overlap at all with my ion? Enough to justify carrying both molds? I liked the particles harsher fade for this reason.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:27 PM
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One of the guys in our group bags both the Ion and the Envy. When he wants the harsh fade of the Particle, he intentionally throws nose up with the Envy. He does not care for the Particle as he can get the Envy to fly like the Particle but not vice versa.

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Old 01-27-2020, 04:27 PM
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How do you feel the envy compares to the particle, flight wise? I have been contemplating a switch.
look into the discraft zone
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:30 PM
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Gonna have to start browsing the discraft boards.......
Don't bother, its really simple...

Find a very beat up Wasp, a slightly beat up Wasp and buy a new flat Z Wasp...


Problem solved.

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Old 01-27-2020, 04:54 PM
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My go to throwing putter is an ion, with the particle as an OS partner. Is the envy OS enough to not overlap at all with my ion? Enough to justify carrying both molds? I liked the particles harsher fade for this reason.
I would've said no a few years ago but these newer Ions I've been throwing are so straight that I've been complementing my Ion (plasma) with an N Envy, no prob. What Wolfman said echoes my findings with the Particle vs Envy. Particle is a little strange for my game, too fast or something. I do carry the Entropy if I really need dumpy fade but I flick it more than not. The Envy is basically my straight to fade mid now. It's so HSS that it's easy to get some fade as long as you throw with some hyzer or nose up.
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Old 01-27-2020, 07:53 PM
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Don't bother, its really simple...

Find a very beat up Wasp, a slightly beat up Wasp and buy a new flat Z Wasp...


Problem solved.
Is there a solution that doesn't involve cycling??? My playing tendencies don't lead well to cycling. My primary driver (proton insanity) has been itb for like 4 years. It's scuffed to heck, but still flies new.
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:00 PM
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Is there a solution that doesn't involve cycling??? My playing tendencies don't lead well to cycling. My primary driver (proton insanity) has been itb for like 4 years. It's scuffed to heck, but still flies new.
Most companies discs don't have the same geologic timeframe for seasoning that MVP disc seem to have(especially the older ones). You can get a Z Wasp to a more or less neutral flight in less than a year, if you're playing woody courses... or borrow a towel and a chain link fence

If you want to simplify it, you can always go BuzzzSS Buzzz BuzzzOS. They are all fairly similar feeling in the hand. They are all beadles though. If you prefer beaded mids the Wasp cycle is the option for that.


EDIT: Z Wasps do tend to take a bit longer to get from the more or less neutral stage to a flippy stage though, which I why I said to try and find one that is already pretty beat up.

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Old 01-27-2020, 08:44 PM
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The Buzz OS and SS kinda suck IMO. I'd throw the Malta, Buzzz, and Comet if I were going all Discraft.
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The Buzz OS and SS kinda suck IMO. I'd throw the Malta, Buzzz, and Comet if I were going all Discraft.
Quake instead of Malta and you're set.
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