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I'm so confused as to why this is a thing. I'm going to shoot what I shoot on a hole regardless if the hole says its a par 3 or 6. It feels good to say that I hit a birdie, but it feels even better to know I hit the line I wanted to get that bird.

I do think that no matter what the course par is, tournaments should be played as 54(on 18 holes). It's hard enough for the geniuses to figure that part out.

I really like the idea of ratings based pars on all tee signs. I just don't see how it would work with an ever changing course layout. If dg was big enough I could see an app that takes all scores from previous tourneys and making a par per hole based on player ratings. I would love to see what I would need to shoot in my division to have won the previous tourney. Or play against e-Mac when someone doesn't show.
That really defeats the purpose. The main point if par is so that, during tournaments you can tell who is winning regardless of who has done which hole
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Old 05-28-2014, 03:10 PM
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That really defeats the purpose. The main point if par is so that, during tournaments you can tell who is winning regardless of who has done which hole
I don't know if that's the main point. After all, it only applies to the very small percentage of events that are reporting hole-by-hole scores, and only matters if anyone is paying attention to those results.
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Old 05-28-2014, 03:14 PM
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If dg was to the point where all pars were consistent could we run a tournament at multiple courses at one time? I guess weather would be the biggest factor but it would be awesome to see a huge tournament that spans the country with payouts in the tens of thousands range.
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If dg was to the point where all pars were consistent could we run a tournament at multiple courses at one time? I guess weather would be the biggest factor but it would be awesome to see a huge tournament that spans the country with payouts in the tens of thousands range.
Already been done, with the Global Ratings Event. Same diff. I believe about 10 million to 30 million took part, if memory serves.
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If dg was to the point where all pars were consistent could we run a tournament at multiple courses at one time? I guess weather would be the biggest factor but it would be awesome to see a huge tournament that spans the country with payouts in the tens of thousands range.
this kinda just happened for the women
http://www.pdga.com/women/global-event
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If dg was to the point where all pars were consistent could we run a tournament at multiple courses at one time? I guess weather would be the biggest factor but it would be awesome to see a huge tournament that spans the country with payouts in the tens of thousands range.
No, because even with consistent pars, SSA's will show that some courses simply play tougher than others.

That, and since the PDGA is already using round ratings to determine the outcome of such an event, which I think turned out pretty good, using an inferior system would be pointless.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:38 AM
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No, because even with consistent pars, SSA's will show that some courses simply play tougher than others.
What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
What I mean is statistically, that two courses (or even two different tee-pin layouts on the same course), even ones that under PDGA guidelines (or any theoretically better one) would produce the same par arrangement, are not going to produce the same ability to score well, and therefore it would not be appropriate to use par as a means of determining a winner between two people who didn't play the same layout, especially when there's already a better system for doing that already in place.
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Old 05-29-2014, 08:22 AM
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The Par Encyclopedia thread also has a great deal of good information on this subject.
"Why Par is Necessary" might be thought provoking to some people.
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:52 AM
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What I mean is statistically, that two courses (or even two different tee-pin layouts on the same course), even ones that under PDGA guidelines (or any theoretically better one) would produce the same par arrangement, are not going to produce the same ability to score well, and therefore it would not be appropriate to use par as a means of determining a winner between two people who didn't play the same layout, especially when there's already a better system for doing that already in place.
Maybe I don't know what you mean by "ability to score well". I thought that was exactly what should be measured to set par.
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