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The consensus seems to be that even among very competitive players, intentionally manipulating opponents mentally is unsportsmanlike, unnecessary, impossible, overlooked, or some combination. This may be true. If so, it may be that disc golf has fewer truly competitive participants than it appears, which is nice.
Not only is it the consensus, it's the rules (as I cited before). I think McBeth is the perfect example of somebody that is highly competitive while exhibiting great sportsmanship.
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Old 01-06-2020, 02:43 PM
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I like to ask a very innocent question, sometimes. It's never about gamesperson/animalship - it's about breaking the ice.

"So. Do you inhale or exhale during your backswing?"

This creates all kinds of interesting activity in any group. Try it sometime!

To answer Mr. Patheticus in my own way, my competitiveness is directly, and just about only, related to my effectiveness as a flyer of Frisbees. And only as I compare myself to my last great throw.

In other words, I am also a kind and easygoing so-and-so to everyone I'm playing with. But I may be seething a bit on the inside for missing my line on this or that throw. Being somehow actively competitive against others in this game seems like a waste of energy. Most courses are tough enough to require my full focus without adding in That Guy's choice of music or conversation subjects...

(But I will admit that there are about 4 people I've found in 25+ years of playing with whom I really don't want to hang. Ever. Basically, if I don't wanna play golf with you, it follows that I don't want you at my dinner table. And vice versa.)
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:09 AM
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Not only is it the consensus, it's the rules (as I cited before). I think McBeth is the perfect example of somebody that is highly competitive while exhibiting great sportsmanship.
Your earlier citation contained a vague ideal, not a rule. A rule forbidding mind games is unenforceable and thus nonexistent. It appears that the biggest obstacle to a mental aspect of disc golf competition is the nature of the game. Baseball, as earlier mentioned, is a fine example of a game that can involve endless mental battles; trickery, intimidation, misdirection, strategy, reading of opponents and so on, all while maintaining complete courtesy and sportsmanship. As some one else noted, disc golf ain't that kind of game, which is true and good, but does not definitively rule out any sort of mannerly psychological battle.

The first time I saw Paul Mcbeth he was putting before an event in Florida. I watched him closely for a minute and I believe he got some competitive surge out of the feel of several pairs of eyes on him. A great putter he was. But something about his pastel clothes and his jewelry and kiddie harstyle and California skin seemed absurd in a classless wasteland, and his relentless chucking of toy after toy into the basket from the peaks of ruthless dominance while surrounded by dumbfounded and worshipful goons twice his size was more than I could contain. So a brief burst of laughter escaped and The Man, after a momentary glance at my mirth, missed two in a row...
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:20 AM
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I like to ask a very innocent question, sometimes. It's never about gamesperson/animalship - it's about breaking the ice.

"So. Do you inhale or exhale during your backswing?"

This creates all kinds of interesting activity in any group. Try it sometime!

To answer Mr. Patheticus in my own way, my competitiveness is directly, and just about only, related to my effectiveness as a flyer of Frisbees. And only as I compare myself to my last great throw.

In other words, I am also a kind and easygoing so-and-so to everyone I'm playing with. But I may be seething a bit on the inside for missing my line on this or that throw. Being somehow actively competitive against others in this game seems like a waste of energy. Most courses are tough enough to require my full focus without adding in That Guy's choice of music or conversation subjects...

(But I will admit that there are about 4 people I've found in 25+ years of playing with whom I really don't want to hang. Ever. Basically, if I don't wanna play golf with you, it follows that I don't want you at my dinner table. And vice versa.)
It is interesting that I'm probably even less competitive than yourself (I neither seethe nor attempt to focus (which is probably an unconscious means of competition with myself, as it seems that focusing does my score more harm than good)) and yet sometimes attempt to engage in active meddling with others. Perhaps this simply means I'm a jackass. I don't want to win and I sure don't want the other guy to suffer, I just want to watch what happens.

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Old 01-07-2020, 05:00 AM
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It is interesting that I'm probably even less competitive than yourself (I neither seethe nor attempt to focus (which is probably an unconscious means of competition with myself, as it seems that focusing does my score more harm than good)) and yet sometimes attempt to engage in active meddling with others. Perhaps this simply means I'm a jackass. I don't want to win and I sure don't want the other guy to suffer, I just want to watch what happens.
I'm not a psychologist or anything but you may need to seek help from a professional for your mental issues. Or maybe you are just a jackass (your words). You come across as sling bladey to me though. You're unique, that's for sure.

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I'm not a psychologist or anything but you may need to seek help from a professional for your mental issues.
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I find when I play with my friends for casual rounds (I am better than them, I have been playing for a lot longer) I dont focus as much as I could and dont play as well...which is fine.

As soon as we make a bet or put something on it, I focus and they cant beat me...like not even close.

But then I end getting up by a bunch and I revert back to not focusing again. Its not fun for anyone when I beat them by a lot.

But when we are screwing around and drinking one of them will beat me maybe half or a third of the time. I flub a few putts and one of them has a good round and they beat me. I'm good with it. It keeps them coming back.
This legitimately makes me feel better.
I thought my stupid brain was broken or something.
When I play tournaments, I am a pretty good player (940 rated. I have some 995 rated rounds in there.)
But when I play casual, I might as well be playing with my off hand , blindfolded.

I practice, great.
I stand out in the field and throw at a target 100 times, I should go on tour.
Me and my girlfriend go out and just throw a few holes? You would think that I had just come out of a coma and was relearning how to throw things.
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Old 01-07-2020, 11:03 AM
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I'm not a psychologist or anything but you may need to seek help from a professional for your mental issues. Or maybe you are just a jackass (your words). You come across as sling bladey to me though. You're unique, that's for sure.
I usually ignore lazy comments like this. In an effort to understand your motives for responding though... What are the signs of my mental issues and what indication exists that "help" with them might improve my life? I don't know enough about entertainment culture to definitely deny your evaluation, but I sense that it is off. As far as occurs to me this morning, some combination of Harold and Maude might come closer to being accurate. I don't know a lot of films, so if that's the only language you speak you'll likely never be understood.

In a society that claims an allegiance to freedom, people are more stifled than ever before. Having more information available, they are more ignorant than ever before. Having more tools available, they are more useless than ever before. Having more available ways to communicate, they know one another and care about one another less than ever before. Evangelists for tolerance, they are more hateful than ever before. If I want to step outside this wheel of hypocrisy, ignore its whirring, and deal directly with my ground and fellow man in love and curiosity and yearning toward whatever fundament I can reach, I accept a degree of apparent oddness as a fair price.

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The self important verbosity is more than I could contain. So a brief burst of laughter escaped and I left the thread.

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The self important verbosity is more than I could contain. So a brief burst of laughter escaped and I left the thread.
I think I'll stick around. I have a morbid fascination with basket cases.
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