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Old 10-09-2019, 03:23 PM
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Default Who's responsibility is this? (Accurate distances)

You come to play in a tournament and you notice the tee signs are not accurate or not readable, etc, etc. Is there any case (tier?) where the TD is responsible for making sure players have accurate distances for each hole (via printed paper, online, etc) ?
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:46 PM
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At least I learned to not trust the tee sign distances but always throw as you judge the distance with your eyes.
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:55 PM
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What if it isn't accurate? What happens then? What is your definition of accurate or what is your tolerance to be considered accurate?

Anecdotal story that is kinda related to the op:

DG'er: "No way this distance is accurate on this hole."
Me: "Yeah? I measured this myself with a 300' fiberglass tape. That distance is well within 6 inches accuracy or less."
DG'er: "Naw bro - no way that's right."
Me: (Facepalm)

Point is...even if you bust out $30k survey equipment and run down all the locations of every tee and basket with sub 0.05' accuracy some bro is going to come along and insist the distance isn't right. Oh well.

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At least I learned to not trust the tee sign distances but always throw as you judge the distance with your eyes.
A rule of thumb I adhere to as well, but the OP has an interesting question. If there is some requirement they be correct is there a requirement they need to be there? One course I play often for tournaments will have 9 or more temporary baskets that are traditionally in certain locations but the exact placement of the tee and pin will change from one event to the next. It would be some work to get those distances each time. I know for a course with a wrong distance on the sign for whatever reason those might occur on that course, just getting rid of or covering the wrong number might be a lot easier than getting the number right.

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You would also need elevation data since the Effective Length is different from Measured Length.

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You would also need elevation data since the Effective Length is different from Measured Length.
Unless that became a more universal thing to be found I think it would do me a lot less good.
Effective length is much more subjective a concept. But also why I am good with map distance vs line of site or even a wheel. I can guestimate slope ok, even on a wide open hole with no reference points other than the basket.
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frankly I rarely look at tee signs. I really go by how it looks to me and disc accordingly.
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You would also need elevation data since the Effective Length is different from Measured Length.
Don't tee signs typically include distance and elevation change (unless the whole course is plain flat)? Those courses I've played in Germany have both measurements on the tee signs.

But that doesn't answer the question about the responsibility for wrong data ...

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But that doesn't answer the question about the responsibility for wrong data ...
Wrong as in + or - 30ft inaccuracy is not a problem, but paying good money to play a sanctioned tournament and then showing up to a course with bad or no tee signs is a bit of let down. Occasionally in this scenario the td will have a supplemental sheet with distances for each hole which is great. But I was just wondering if the course does not have decent tee signs, is it on the TD to provide distances for each hole? I'm guessing yes, but probably not for the lower C tiers. Looks like I'll just email the pdga and reply here with their answer.

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No. I believe the answer is "No", there is no requirement to provide distances, let alone accurate ones.

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