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Old 01-17-2018, 12:28 AM
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Those discs are gonna get spendy....
Calaway driver $699.99
Titleist Pro V1 Golf Balls $47.99 a dozen.

As dg grows, so will the demand for better performing equipment. While we may not see discs at 800 bucks apeice, I beleive that within a couple years we will see higher tech materials and better R&D on 'tour' level discs; requiring $50-$75 shell out per disc. These will sell if they shave strokes off ones game.

They may not sell many to the common player, but that will sell to the competive am and lower ranked pros. They will make money on the higher markup per disc, not quanity.

I perdict by the end of 2020, we will see if I am right.
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:32 AM
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:52 PM
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Calaway driver $699.99
Titleist Pro V1 Golf Balls $47.99 a dozen.

As dg grows, so will the demand for better performing equipment. While we may not see discs at 800 bucks apeice, I beleive that within a couple years we will see higher tech materials and better R&D on 'tour' level discs; requiring $50-$75 shell out per disc. These will sell if they shave strokes off ones game.

They may not sell many to the common player, but that will sell to the competive am and lower ranked pros. They will make money on the higher markup per disc, not quanity.

I perdict by the end of 2020, we will see if I am right.
but would they sell enough to justify the cost and production/engineering headaches of such a venture? Im not so sure i see the return. The higher markup would offset tooling/production/engineering costs, but then you're not making any more profit than a regular disc. So why bother? Not saying it wouldn't sweet to see (especially for me!) but im not seeing it.
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Old 01-17-2018, 02:10 PM
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Old 01-17-2018, 02:47 PM
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Calaway driver $699.99
Titleist Pro V1 Golf Balls $47.99 a dozen.

As dg grows, so will the demand for better performing equipment. While we may not see discs at 800 bucks apeice, I beleive that within a couple years we will see higher tech materials and better R&D on 'tour' level discs; requiring $50-$75 shell out per disc. These will sell if they shave strokes off ones game.

They may not sell many to the common player, but that will sell to the competive am and lower ranked pros. They will make money on the higher markup per disc, not quanity.

I perdict by the end of 2020, we will see if I am right.
I think you're spot on in your speculation here. I don't know about the timeframe because I think the first manufacturer will meet heavier resistance, and then the 2nd company to do it will be successful, but no doubt it will happen.

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but would they sell enough to justify the cost and production/engineering headaches of such a venture? Im not so sure i see the return. The higher markup would offset tooling/production/engineering costs, but then you're not making any more profit than a regular disc. So why bother? Not saying it wouldn't sweet to see (especially for me!) but im not seeing it.
I don't think R&D costs will significantly increase until after the next major price category is created. I think with regular (as opposed to over-) molds, the expensive component will be the discovery of a better polymer. Dunipace believes that the biggest thing missing from the overall current disc lineup is truly accurate high speed drivers...so maybe (and obviously I'm speculating heavily here) a yet-to-be-discovered polymer will react in such a way that solves that problem...or maybe lasts longer AND provides better grip, etc.

I would not be surprised to see changes in the fundamental changes in the way discs are manufactured eventually, and that will require significant investment, but I think there's still room to grow with the current injection molding processes.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:23 PM
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I've always wondered if the price points for discs will ever vary like other sporting equipment. Of course there is variance across the product line from the same manufacturer depending on plastic, but relative price points are pretty flat across the market.

We don't really have a "low cost leader" (Southwest Airlines) in the market. Will there be a day when Innova costs $50 and Company B costs $20?

The thing about other sporting equipment, like golf, is that the expensive or "pro" level equipment is often the wrong equipment for the regular non professional consumer. I don't see this being the case with disc golf. I cannot imagine Innova producing a $50 disc that is considerably better than a $20 disc for a pro/advanced player, but wouldn't really benefit the average player. Plastic types and stability aside, I think the price point in the disc market will naturally flatten out across all manufacturers regardless of development. I may be failing to think outside the box here and maybe there is a way to make a round thing fly way better and the technology can be patented and no other manufacturer could copy it.
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Old 01-17-2018, 05:03 PM
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I think you're spot on in your speculation here. I don't know about the timeframe because I think the first manufacturer will meet heavier resistance, and then the 2nd company to do it will be successful, but no doubt it will happen.



I don't think R&D costs will significantly increase until after the next major price category is created. I think with regular (as opposed to over-) molds, the expensive component will be the discovery of a better polymer. Dunipace believes that the biggest thing missing from the overall current disc lineup is truly accurate high speed drivers...so maybe (and obviously I'm speculating heavily here) a yet-to-be-discovered polymer will react in such a way that solves that problem...or maybe lasts longer AND provides better grip, etc.

I would not be surprised to see changes in the fundamental changes in the way discs are manufactured eventually, and that will require significant investment, but I think there's still room to grow with the current injection molding processes.

As someone who works in injection molding, i can see room for improvement with better polymers, consistency, and things like that. But what is being discussed above isnt an "improvement" its a radical change. The multiple plastic concept is a tooling nightmare.

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Old 01-17-2018, 05:19 PM
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Didn't Prodigy do some experimenting with more expensive plastics when they first started? I don't think they were ever really sold to the public but I can remember a friend of mine saying something about it...
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I don't think R&D costs will significantly increase until after the next major price category is created. I think with regular (as opposed to over-) molds, the expensive component will be the discovery of a better polymer. Dunipace believes that the biggest thing missing from the overall current disc lineup is truly accurate high speed drivers...so maybe (and obviously I'm speculating heavily here) a yet-to-be-discovered polymer will react in such a way that solves that problem...or maybe lasts longer AND provides better grip, etc.

I would not be surprised to see changes in the fundamental changes in the way discs are manufactured eventually, and that will require significant investment, but I think there's still room to grow with the current injection molding processes.
Beware of Triple molded discs, Regular disc w/overmold with the underside with grip plastic.
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