Old 02-07-2019, 02:41 PM
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The Orioles have been fortunate to have some excellent announcining crews over the years. Mel Proctor and John Lowenstein, for example, were a hoot. Even Michael Reghi, though, didnt stop me from watching the games.

So for me it is about the game action, more than the announcers. Yes, good commentary adds to the experience, but bad commentary won’t stop me from watching.

I mean, I’ve watched tons of videos with that Ian guy, and that didn’t stop me.
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:41 PM
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About turning off the commentary... Hell I've suffered through numerous Avery videos so my bar isnt all that high lol

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Old 02-07-2019, 02:46 PM
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So, Nate is scaling back. Mostly because of his family situation. And the events that he IS going to are places where he can do commentary and earn extra income on top of playing. Totally makes sense to me. Nate is a very well respected person and makes smart decisions.

What about the places that Jomez is going, but Nate isn't there? Does that make Jomez's channel LESS enjoyable if Big Sexy isn't doing the commentary. If Jomez is covering 20 events and Nate will only be at 10 (I honestly dont know), are you fearful of Jomez's channel being "as bad" as the DGPT is assumed to be by some?

Here is what I know. Dodge and the DGPT are taking WAY more crap for this than they should be from people. Jomez is not banned from the DGPT. They just can't cover the lead or 2nd card. They can still film 3rd card coverage, they just are currently choosing not to. And from a little insider info, my understanding is that Jomez was offered very good compensation that they turned down because the sticking point between the two teams was what channel it would be hosted on (and possibly carrying live equipment as well). I respect Jonathan & Steve both greatly for their positions.

And my guess is that I can count the number of people on both hands that will TRULY hold a grudge and not watch the DGPT events out of spite. I was fired by Steve live on the air and I will be still watching. hahah

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Old 02-07-2019, 02:47 PM
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I think well presented, updated graphics are more important than commentary in the scheme of things for more knowledgeable viewers. Good commentary helpful for newer and casual viewers but hard to know what percentage of the viewership they might be.

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Old 02-07-2019, 03:04 PM
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The solution here is simple. Neither is mutually exclusive. People will watch both in the short-term. That's just the way it is. That being said, Dodge has put himself and his tour in a precarious state in that he's entering a market where the consumers have high expectations, and those expectations can already be filled by others while his production teams grow out of initial deficiency. As a business person, that's a terrible position from which to launch a product. From the outside looking in, it seems that Dodge saw this as a way to siphon profits away from Jomez and CCDG because they were collecting these profits based on his events. That's a short-sighted approach. If his videography is subpar and the commentary is bland, then people will eventually turn it off, regardless of who is playing. A question was posed many pages ago (I'm paraphrasing...sorry) of whether you would choose to watch subpar production of the lead card or a Jomez/CCDG level production of the 3rd card. 8 years ago, I'd choose the lead card. The 3rd card was full of nobodies. Now, I'd choose high level productions of the 3rd card every time because the depth of talent is there. I watch disc golf to enjoy the broadcast. I probably already know who won the tournament thanks to Twitter/IG, so it's not as if the lead card offers suspense.

Sexton isn't the only player who has voiced displeasure. Many others have as well. But the most interesting came from McBeth when he said he could see players choosing Jomez covered events over DGPT events because disc golfers today are ALL about trying to build their brand. Outside of Worlds and the USDGC, it's not the tournaments that they care about...it's being on high-quality video broadcasts. That's where they get exposure and bring value to their sponsors and sell discs.

Everyone should be willing to give the DGPT crew a chance. But if they can't produce, the players will be the ones who make the decision to move to other events where the coverage is better. If the coverage is great (maybe even just OK), we get more disc golf to watch. If it sucks, Dodge will be fighting for the viability of his tour because the players will migrate to the better publicity. Honestly, nobody has any idea how this will end up. But Dodge is taking a HUGE risk with this direction.

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Steve made a business decision. Nate made a touring decision. I'm sure they both know what's in their best interests.

But neither of their decisions has an iota of effect on my life sooo........who cares?

Can't believe this many people get wrapped up in whose disc golf coverage they're going to watch. No wonder it's so easy for politicians and the media to divide us.

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Old 02-07-2019, 04:02 PM
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Steve Dodge is the Maple Hill/Vibram Open guy, right? Does anyone know who did the DVDs in years past before YouTube took over dg coverage in general?

I haven’t watched my DVDs in a while, but at the time, they were the best coverage available, imo. So if they were done in house, then there’s already some experience there.

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Old 02-07-2019, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ru4por View Post
Perhaps you jest, but this is exactly what I will never understand. You have zero skin in the game. Why would I EVER intentionally withhold something I like from myself, to seemingly punish someone, who will never be impacted by my decision? Dang, I know enough about football....turn off the sound and put on some tunes.
I am not trying to punish someone else. I just don't like the quality. I am not trying to make an impact, I just will not support poor quality. Life is too short to spend doing things you do not enjoy.

Here is an example. Jomez best of 2018. Simple could not watch it due to the way the audio was clipped. I watch 10 minutes of the 2 hours or so.

But on the other hand I watch the recent Q&A with Jomez expecting to watch 5 minutes and turn it off but I made it all of the way thru. Because it was high quality, genuine responses and well screen questions.

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Originally Posted by JC17393 View Post
The folly in your argument is the notion that most viewers are only watching Jomez because it's Jomez and not because they've been showing the top cards at the top events in the game.

Honest question...you have one hour to watch disc golf coverage and a choice between final round lead card coverage of elite tournament X featuring McBeth, Wysocki, Barsby, and Ulibarri or final round third card coverage of the same event featuring Lizotte, McMahon, Heimberg, and Melton. You don't know the results yet. Which one will you watch? Unless you're a superfan of one of the four on the third card, you're most likely picking the lead card, no? Without even considering which channel it's on.

Content drives viewership, not the provider.
I watch whatever card Jomez filmed first. Then sometimes I will watch the other channel's coverage. I'm not the only one. Just go and look at the views Jomez got last year filming chase card versus the other other guys filming lead card. For the 2018 Ledgestone Open. Jomez had chase card for rounds 2,3, and 4 and has more views than CCDG who had lead card. For the first half of round 4 Jomez had 85,000 views while CCDG only had 63,000.

The reason people watch Jomez is because they have the best tournament coverage out there.

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Old 02-07-2019, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rocthecourse View Post
The reason people watch Jomez is because they have the best tournament coverage out there.
And the best commentary. Like you, I watch Jomez first. Player commentary is the best commentary, and Big Sexy is the best of the player commentary.

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