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Old 12-23-2016, 01:49 PM
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Cedar Hill in Nashville is probably the toughest course I have ever played.
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:41 PM
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I got my start in 1989 playing the original Oxbow Park near Elkhart/Goshen, IN. They redesigned it to be easier when worlds came in 1996. Not all of the holes were that hard, but maybe 8 or 9 of them were ridiculous.

In modern times, I'd say the Bertha Brock course in Ionia, MI is the one of the toughest I've played. Leila Arboretum (Battle Creek) too, but I couldn't find some of the holes, wouldn't play a few of them (a nick of a tree on a tightly wooded hole and you're in a swamp right next to it, for example), and I understand there are missing baskets now.

The long Houck-designed course at IDGC was very difficult and lengthy, but it was enjoyable punishment and I enjoyed every inch of it. (Maybe I should rephrase that...)
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:59 PM
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Okay, after scrolling back and reading some of the thread, I've got to play Ozark Mountain someday.
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Old 12-23-2016, 03:10 PM
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I remember reading this thread before but the first several pages are hilarious now that I have played the Ozark complex. Scooter's attitude might not earn many fans but he was 1000% correct about Ozark Mtn.

Ozark Mtn is in a league entirely of its own.
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Old 12-23-2016, 05:41 PM
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Cedar Hill in Nashville is probably the toughest course I have ever played.
Even in the big boy par 60-65 layouts Cedar Hill can be shot under par as long as you're smart and can putt 20 footers.

The best part about those Nashville courses is that they're so reconfigurable - cedar hill has 4-6 different possible pin positions (same as seven oaks... so many different pin sleeves). You can have layouts that are easy to score under 54... then other layouts where scoring a par 60 is a grind.

The hardest course I've ever played was Warwick NY from long tees to long baskets. It's like the big boy cedar hill layout with the same elevation changes, same wind, but with more woods and even water hazards and island greens.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:14 PM
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Original Ox Box wasn't the hardest just a totally bad design. I loved Cedar Hills but it kicked my ass. Some of Paw Paw I hate, some are great holes. Renny was extremely difficult.
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:15 PM
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Note: the following comes from very limited personal experience, but is backed up by friends who are more experienced players.

Buck Creek in Springfield, OH. Especially the first 10 holes or so. On the fairways, it looks like all they did was take out the underbrush and leave ALL the trees, to the point that there are no clear lines from tee to pin on some holes. It was just chuck-and-hope. Some of the fairways look like hiking trails, and are no more than 8 feet wide in places. There were deep rough areas, and steep slopes to grab your discs and throw them in there.

Afterward I complained about how there weren't any lines through the trees to my buddy who took me there. He said, "Sure there are lines through the trees, they just go directly into the trees right behind them."

Not in a hurry to play it again.
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Old 12-23-2016, 11:13 PM
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Idlewild is a hard course.
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Old 12-24-2016, 12:20 PM
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If it's just you and the course, 1v1, Wilder DGC in Newport, Oregon is pretty tough. Lots of disc eating underbrush, tons o' trees, and typically wet and rainy conditions offer a potentially miserable experience. 3.70 rating.

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Old 12-25-2016, 03:29 AM
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Original Ox Box wasn't the hardest just a totally bad design.
No argument here. Lots of narrow, winding holes darting this way and that at short intervals with thorns and poison ivy at every turn. A river running parallel and a few feet from lengthy, narrow wooded tunnel holes too. It was crazy, and the only thing I knew for a few years.

I remember watching some more experienced players; they had to be the first people I ever saw playing other than myself. Rather than play the prescribed "fairway" out in the open to the side of the woods on one brutal hole, they decided instead to throw through the uncleared woods all the way to the pin. There was no real good place to be out in the "fairway" and the pin was tucked so far in and in a bizarre place that indeed you were better off playing safari through the woods to get to it. It seemed like an impossibly big hole at the time (when I owned a Stingray, an Aviar and a play-catch Frisbee from the store, and I couldn't really throw any of them well), but it was probably only 400' or so...just with no sane way to play it. There was a head-high, long cluster of bushes with sharp thorns right in the middle of that "fairway" with narrow open lanes on each side of it (that I surely couldn't aim to safely pass in those days). I definitely remember that. Somebody's Aerobie was stuck up in a tall tree right near that for a long time too, like the whole summer of 1989. This was in the middle of the course, one of the holes they took away for the sake of sanity for worlds in '96.

The original hole #1 was all overgrown the last time I visited maybe five years ago, and it hasn't been a hole in over 20 years either. It was a narrow wooded tunnel going straight ahead maybe 100' to 120' or so, then abruptly turning to the right at a 90 degree angle and continuing up a hill for another 150' (or so?) also as a tightly-wooded tunnel, then again turning abruptly to the right upon exit of the woods and out in the open on a hillside to the pin, maybe another 100'? It was common to just go ahead and play through the uncleared woods instead of using the weird fairway. Lots of this kind of thing going on at the original Oxbow Park.

When I finally heard there was another course at Wilson Park and went there, I was flabbergasted at the wide-open holes. It felt foreign to be able to just throw your Disc.
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