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Old 01-28-2020, 04:52 AM
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So if you throw a drive and it ends up under a large dead branch you can drag that branch to the backside of the basket to act as a backstop? Or you could even drag it to be in front of the basket to block other players putts? Or you could place it in front of another player's lie?
Rules say you can't move an obstacle unless it is on or behind your lie. As soon as the obstacle is no longer on or behind your lie... you can't move it. Put it down!!!

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Old 01-28-2020, 05:01 AM
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You have to move it somewhere behind your lie.
The rules don't actually specify where casual obstacles should be moved to. I think as soon as an obstacle is no longer on your lie or in your stance area, then it should not be moved further.

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Old 01-28-2020, 05:43 AM
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Rules say you can't move an obstacle unless it is on or behind your lie. As soon as the obstacle is no longer on or behind your lie... you can't move it. Put it down
Well, “behind your lie” is a pretty big area.

But I agree with the sentiment.
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Old 01-28-2020, 12:28 PM
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Well, “behind your lie” is a pretty big area.



But I agree with the sentiment.
Yeah, the rules use a few different phases (can't look them all up now): stance area, run up area, behind the lie.

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Old 01-29-2020, 01:53 PM
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Although I agree in principle that you should not be changing the course for others playing it competitively. I think that moving a branch completely off the fairway should be instilled in players. Courses look so much better if as players we get in this habit of tidying up the course we play. I try and teach new players that courses are maintained by volunteers and as players if we can keep fallen branches and such off the fairways as we play the course will be a better experiences for all that play them.
I do the same thing (must be a NY thing), even if I'm off the fairway (which happens a lot more than it should), but I always move the branches further from the fairway if they interfere with my lie. I can be comfortable in most lies, so if I have to move it, chances are someone else would've as well.
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Old 01-29-2020, 03:28 PM
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Rules say you can't move an obstacle unless it is on or behind your lie. As soon as the obstacle is no longer on or behind your lie... you can't move it. Put it down!!!

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just FYI, that language isn't in the rule book anymore:

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A player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course, with the following exceptions:
A player may move casual obstacles that are o̶n̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶h̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶e̶ partially or completely on the lie or in the stance area, regardless of whether they extend in front of or behind the lie. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches), or any item as designated by the Director.
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Old 01-30-2020, 12:24 PM
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just FYI, that language isn't in the rule book anymore:
Hey! thanks for pointing that out. I like the wording change. Behind the lie is a bit too broad, and doesn't address that people also stand to one side of the lie.

So interestingly, prompted by your post, I've just checked, and QA-OBS-4 and -8 still use the old wording of 'or behind...'.

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Old 01-30-2020, 12:55 PM
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Hey! thanks for pointing that out. I like the wording change. Behind the lie is a bit too broad, and doesn't address that people also stand to one side of the lie.

So interestingly, prompted by your post, I've just checked, and QA-OBS-4 and -8 still use the old wording of 'or behind...'.

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Because the QAs didn't get updated when the electronic book did prior to the 2019 season. The next update of the rule book should align the QAs with the rules better, or at least that's one of our goals.

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So if a large limb or small tree falls into the basket while you are in the process of putting, you are not allowed to move it until a disc lands where a stance is affected? Then how far do you move it?
Seems fairness would dictate that if the players that holed out before you had clear path to the basket, your group should have the same.
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So if a large limb or small tree falls into the basket while you are in the process of putting, you are not allowed to move it until a disc lands where a stance is affected? Then how far do you move it?
Seems fairness would dictate that if the players that holed out before you had clear path to the basket, your group should have the same.
803.01 B3 was added to the rules to deal with obstacles in the basket, twisted chains or a portable tipping over: "A player may restore course equipment to its proper working order, including the removal of obstacles." It doesn't address where to relocate the obstacles.

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