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#61
08-18-2017, 07:36 AM
 New013 * Ace Member * Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Raleigh, NC Years Playing: 11 Courses Played: 176 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 7,154 Niced 167 Times in 86 Posts

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You may think my math skills are bad but I promise you that your reading skills are worst.

The only courses used in this were those with a rating of 3 or higher. There are ZERO courses in any part of this with a rating less than 3. So that thing you suggested I do is actually exactly what my sister did with the original formula.

There IS a baseline. As I already pointed out multiple times to you but here I am pointing it out again.

Also only 18 hole courses were used so your 9 hole comment also sounds like gibberish. You're one of those I read the headline but none of the article but I know all about it geniuses.

Now let's talk about math. If you look at just the sum and have an area with three courses rated 3 (the baseline) and another with two courses rated 4 and 5 the sum alone says these are equal but clearly the second one has more quality while the previous has more quantity.

By adding in the average of qualifying courses (those rated higher than 3 and having at least 18 holes) you hash out which has more quality. Now the first area has a score of 9 • 3 = 27. While the latter has 9 • 4.5 = 40.5. Now the area with more quality is ranked higher.

But squaring does nothing you say....

Now let's say there is an area with four courses all 3.25, then the original latter area with a 5 and a 4.

The sum of the first is 13 with an average of 3.25. If you just multiply you get 13 • 3.25 = 42.25. This would rank the area with more but less quality courses above the other area with a score of just 40.25.

Now square the averages. 13 • 10.5265 = 137.3125.

9 • 20.25 = 182.25

By squaring the average the area with less but higher quality jumps the area with twice as many courses but less quality.

Now explain to me how squaring does absolutely nothing to the ranking. Explain to me how all these bad 2.5 courses are screwing up the ranking. I'll pop my popcorn.

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#62
08-18-2017, 08:16 AM
 New013 * Ace Member * Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Raleigh, NC Years Playing: 11 Courses Played: 176 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 7,154 Niced 167 Times in 86 Posts

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 Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore Do you still live in Fu**** Va*ina? Fuquay Varina
No I moved to Cary, land of the snobs.

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 Originally Posted by Steve West The first step in making a statistic is defining the question you are trying to answer. I don't mean specifying the formula, but what actions will be affected by the answer?
I think it's pretty clear that the original question she was asking is "What is the best place to live (the X) if you wanted to have a high quantity of high quality disc golf courses within a certain distance?"

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 Originally Posted by Steve West If you skip that step, everyone can point out that you are wrong. When you include that step, it tells you how to pick preferences and all the other aspects of the statistic.
I don't believe that step was skipped. I feel like I explained it pretty well that this is #1 a statistic created by a person who does not and never has played disc golf and #2 is a preference based statistic that not all would agree with and #3 not the best way to do it if you wanted to really get in to it.

There are a lot more factors you can bring in if you wanted a more definitive list I've admitted that. However if your question is, "Hey where's the best spots that have quality courses within reasonable daily driving distance?", I believe this stat answers it pretty well. I think most people would agree to that.

Beyond that I think you're wanting more out of this than what was intended or what I ever made it out to be. It's just a list that gives you an idea of where things stand as of now and how they've changed since the original list. Any of the places in the Top 25 is a solid place to hit if you're traveling or wanting to live and have quality disc golf around you. A quick reference guide if you will.

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 Originally Posted by Steve West I was finding the place with the best courses, I'd probably think of it as the place where a player living there would play some function of more rounds at the higher rated courses. I'm not sure how I would balance more vs. higher rated. Which means I would need to go back and better define why I'm finding the place with the best courses.
Yeah but in the end that would also be based mostly on what your personal preferences are. How can you determine what any said person would do or what they would want to do if they were in that position. Some people tend not to like playing epic 5 star courses a lot because they tend to be long and more difficult, a lot of people would prefer that. You'd have to literally monitor traffic at courses to factor that in.

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 Originally Posted by Steve West I were finding the best place to visit for a course-poaching vacation, I would not be looking at an area, but a "string" of courses that could all be hit with a minimum of travel from course to course. For a huge example, driving all of I-35 might be a better trip than visiting WI.
Again, that's a preference. If I was doing a nothing but driving from here to there and asking myself "What great courses can I hit on the way?" then yes that's a good stat to create.

The biggest roadtrip I've done for disc golf was not really done that way. We were more thinking each day is an area so what are the best courses we can hit in that area within the period of one day. Then when it got dark we drove to the next area. We hit groupings not strings.

You also have the people who are not just factoring in disc golf to their vacation plans. For some disc golf is just another thing on their agenda not the agenda. If I'm going on vacation and my options are narrowed down to Orlando, Portland or Cincinnati based on other factors, then I want to get an idea of which of the three would also give me a chance to play some great courses this list would help with that decision as a quick reference. You could cross off Orlando (not Orland Park) and dive deeper in to Portland and Cincy.

Last edited by New013; 08-18-2017 at 08:20 AM.
#63
08-18-2017, 09:20 AM
 Lazerface Eagle Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: St. Louis, MO Courses Played: 5 Posts: 859 Niced 523 Times in 249 Posts

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 Originally Posted by SpikeHyzer The Texas rankings should have an asterisk next to them. People from Texas always think their stuff is better. I mean...people who say Whataburger has the best burgers in the world are using a way different scale for rating things ;-)
My corporate office is in TX and if I hear one more idiot tell me how good Whataburger is.......

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#64
08-18-2017, 09:33 AM
 bhadella * Ace Member * Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Years Playing: 23 Courses Played: 171 Throwing Style: LHBH Posts: 3,168 Niced 159 Times in 104 Posts

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 Originally Posted by Lazerface My corporate office is in TX and if I hear one more idiot tell me how good Whataburger is.......
The TX fluffing is real. Thankfully there was and In and Out so I was able to get a mighty fine burger in TX.

Bear Creek that I played on Wednesday in DFW (3.62 rated) isn't in the ballpark of courses lower rated in the Charlotte area (Sugaw at 3.24, Goat Island at 3.29, Rankin 3.42, Eastway 3.47, Kilborne 3.53, Reedy Creek 3.55, Stumpy Creek 3.58 and Winget 3.60).
#65
08-18-2017, 10:07 AM
 Steve West Par Delusionary Join Date: Dec 2009 Years Playing: 47.2 Courses Played: 460 Posts: 5,896 Niced 2,844 Times in 1,314 Posts

[QUOTE=New013;3213427]Beyond that I think you're wanting more out of this than what was intended or what I ever made it out to be. It's just a list that gives you an idea of where things stand as of now and how they've changed since the original list. Any of the places in the Top 25 is a solid place to hit if you're traveling or wanting to live and have quality disc golf around you. A quick reference guide if you will.]

All true. I was just offering ideas for anyone who was curious or who might want to get more out of it, or take on some similar project.
#66
08-18-2017, 12:06 PM
 Countchunkula Double Eagle Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago Burbs Years Playing: 15.1 Courses Played: 175 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 1,485 Niced 565 Times in 263 Posts

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 Originally Posted by New013 Orland park, it gets autocorrected. It's on the map about 15 miles SW of chicagos dot

Just giving you crap, I knew you had to be talking about Orland. If it was only once, I would have ignored it, but I saw Orlando Park so many times in your post.
#67
08-18-2017, 01:04 PM
 str8 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: FM, Tx Years Playing: 10 Courses Played: 39 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 49 Niced 29 Times in 14 Posts

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 Originally Posted by bhadella The TX fluffing is real. Thankfully there was and In and Out so I was able to get a mighty fine burger in TX. Bear Creek that I played on Wednesday in DFW (3.62 rated) isn't in the ballpark of courses lower rated in the Charlotte area (Sugaw at 3.24, Goat Island at 3.29, Rankin 3.42, Eastway 3.47, Kilborne 3.53, Reedy Creek 3.55, Stumpy Creek 3.58 and Winget 3.60).
I don't get the In-N-Out Burger love, to me it's just an average backyard grilled burger. No worries, that's why we have all the choices for burgers.

Bear Creek isn't my favorite in the area, it's lost some of it's spirit since the city starting making changes in preparation to convert over 1/3 of it to a dog park. I would have suggested Turner Park for something near DFW airport.

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#68
08-18-2017, 01:12 PM
 bhadella * Ace Member * Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Years Playing: 23 Courses Played: 171 Throwing Style: LHBH Posts: 3,168 Niced 159 Times in 104 Posts

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 Originally Posted by str8 I don't get the In-N-Out Burger love, to me it's just an average backyard grilled burger. No worries, that's why we have all the choices for burgers. Bear Creek isn't my favorite in the area, it's lost some of it's spirit since the city starting making changes in preparation to convert over 1/3 of it to a dog park. I would have suggested Turner Park for something near DFW airport.
I'm shocked by how big that dog park is going to be. Seems like they could have done something with a portion of land where hole 14 is for a dog park. I'll definitely try Turner the next time I am in town. I thought Bicentennial (the only other TX course I've played) was much closer to 3.5 then Bear Creek.
#69
08-18-2017, 10:18 PM
 BrotherDave Crushing on Zoe and Hating on Keegan Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Millwall Years Playing: 14 Courses Played: 187 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 15,471 Niced 2,780 Times in 1,281 Posts

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 Originally Posted by TheOtherBill I was with you until the Whataburger comment... I said the same thing on the original thread - DFW players way overrate these courses. Heck I played a 2.5-star that had stray dogs and used needles all over and people hooking up with prostitutes in the parking lot. Had nice teepads tho...
Hookers and nice tee pads, that's at least a 3 star in my book.

Were the dogs cute and fluffy? That's another .5 if yes.

#70
08-18-2017, 11:40 PM
 New013 * Ace Member * Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Raleigh, NC Years Playing: 11 Courses Played: 176 Throwing Style: RHBH Posts: 7,154 Niced 167 Times in 86 Posts

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 Originally Posted by bhadella The TX fluffing is real. Thankfully there was and In and Out so I was able to get a mighty fine burger in TX. Bear Creek that I played on Wednesday in DFW (3.62 rated) isn't in the ballpark of courses lower rated in the Charlotte area (Sugaw at 3.24, Goat Island at 3.29, Rankin 3.42, Eastway 3.47, Kilborne 3.53, Reedy Creek 3.55, Stumpy Creek 3.58 and Winget 3.60).
You must be mistaken, Charlotte is only at the top of this list because I intentionally crafted it so NC would look good.