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Old 06-13-2019, 07:49 AM
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Renegade and Suspect are shocking. I see lots of those and both are fantastic. Evidence is the only one that personally makes me sad. Will be making an order soon.
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Old 06-13-2019, 08:52 AM
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LOL. I would have been shocked if the Renegade WASN'T cut. I'm not surprised about the Freedom either. I think DD could use the loss of that disc to design a much better speed 14 driver. Something that will actually hold a line and bomb for big yardage. With the Renegade gone I bet you'll see a better speed 11 driver come out at some point too. One that doesn't flip so damn easily.
I'm hit or miss on the Convict. I still like that disc better than the Escape though.
I agree, especially about the Freedom. But I don't know if they're going to mold replacements for these OOP discs, especially the more understable ones. More on that below.

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They didn't outright say that Latitude and Westside will be slashing product. I read it like a maybe something will happen, but not necessarily the same way that we did it. Sooooo that doesn't mean that 12 discs from each brand will be going. Right?
The impression I got from their original OOP announcement is that Lat64 and Westside would be making some cuts. Probably along the same lines of the bottom 10% of their sales. But we'll see what they do...

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I'm pretty surprised they axed most of their flippy stuff...sure the Freedom seems like it was hot garbage but I've thrown a Witness and Evidence and they aren't awful. The Suspect is pretty surprising to as it's one of their oldest molds and seemed to have an okay following.
I also noticed that a lot of their more understable molds were the ones cut, which suggests to me that DD is going to cater to pros and players with faster arms, while leaving the casual ams further behind. They're not the only disc-making company doing that, either.
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Old 06-13-2019, 08:54 AM
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The two surprises for me were the Slammer and Suspect. They both operate in that tweener slot between putters and full blown mids. And, I thought the Maverick was going to knock out the Breakout, but I do know from a few folks that some of the Escape runs have been a bit stable, and thus the Breakout was needed in their bags.

And, yes I stocked up on a lot of Air Renegades and Witnesses.

As for Westside, still a bit nervous about the Stag, but the Hatchet I think is much safer now. L64 though has way too many 8 and 9 speeds and I strongly suspect a major cull coming in that grouping - as many as six molds could be going (Bryce, Zion, Spark, River Pro, Falchion, Striker) in the fairway driver group alone, and overall, there's a reasonable argument for 16 or more molds going (the distance drivers have a lot in that group too).
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Old 06-13-2019, 08:55 AM
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Lol they cut their shameless Rhyno rip off.
Every company has a OS putter w/ a thumb track on it. Dynamic had the slammer, Discraft has the Ringer GT, Hyzerbomb has the tank....they all do pretty much the same thing

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Old 06-13-2019, 09:20 AM
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Not that the Harp was ever in much danger, but the Slammer being gone pretty much secures it.

Still have a cart full of Stags waiting to see what happens.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:28 AM
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Every company has a OS putter w/ a thumb track on it. Dynamic had the slammer, Discraft has the Ringer GT, Hyzerbomb has the tank....they all do pretty much the same thing
You forgot the Caltrop...

The Caltrop, Ringer GT and Slammer all were released as soon as Innova's Thumtrac patent expired hence "shameless." The Ringer GT gets a little credit from me as it's a tweak on the existing Ringer.

The Tank was made by Innova for Ching WAY back in the day and Hyzerbomb just uses the mold now...so I don't really view that as a ripoff. It would be like calling the Pig a Rhyno ripoff too...

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I also noticed that a lot of their more understable molds were the ones cut, which suggests to me that DD is going to cater to pros and players with faster arms, while leaving the casual ams further behind. They're not the only disc-making company doing that, either.
I wouldn't be surprised, and I hope, that they will replace these with some well thought out understable discs that are marketed a little more clearly.

Like they introduced the Maverick and pro's love it too. But it's a clear description...slower/speed 7 fairway that is neutral-understable. Read between the lines and it's a Leo-style disc, very clear.

Of the ones cut on the flippy side, I think the Thief absolutely bombs, it's like a Trilogy Valk/Sidewinder. But the numbers on it were so wrong that people don't know that. It's like a River with more speed and at least as much glide, but word didn't get out because the numbers initially had the stability at 0/2 I think. They then revised it to 8/5/-1.5/2 which is way more accurate, but that was after it had been out for years and its fate was pretty much sealed.

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Old 06-13-2019, 11:46 AM
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Only trilogy disc that I would truly be worried about is the Fuse. If they kill off my Fuse I'll definitely have to stock up.

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Old 06-13-2019, 12:39 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised, and I hope, that they will replace these with some well thought out understable discs that are marketed a little more clearly.

Like they introduced the Maverick and pro's love it too. But it's a clear description...slower/speed 7 fairway that is neutral-understable. Read between the lines and it's a Leo-style disc, very clear.

Of the ones cut on the flippy side, I think the Thief absolutely bombs, it's like a Trilogy Valk/Sidewinder. But the numbers on it were so wrong that people don't know that. It's like a River with more speed and at least as much glide, but word didn't get out because the numbers initially had the stability at 0/2 I think. They then revised it to 8/5/-1.5/2 which is way more accurate, but that was after it had been out for years and its fate was pretty much sealed.
Totally agree with you. Adding to that: though the Trespass was not OOP'd, it has the flight numbers 12,5,-1,3... same as the Destroyer. But the Trespass is not as stable as the Destroyer, and I was able to throw the Trespass very well in all conditions, while the Destroyer was at best an into-the-wind disc for me. But I didn't try the Trespass for a long, long time because of those incorrect flight numbers.

We'll see if they come out with any new understable discs. My suspicion is that they are in no hurry to do so.

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Old 06-13-2019, 02:53 PM
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Renegade and Suspect are shocking. I see lots of those and both are fantastic. Evidence is the only one that personally makes me sad. Will be making an order soon.
Sucks cause I think the Suspect is something original and always heard good things.

I like it easily better than anything that comes close to the flight.

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