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Old 06-04-2021, 04:03 PM
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So this happened on Hole 5 at Patapsco Valley SP, road and beyond OB all along the left side and there is also a mando to prevent playing over the road. We think it went OB before the mando, then hit a car and disappeared.

Playing by standard rules it would be much more advantageous to have missed the mando and play from the drop zone. Playing from last IB might as well add another stroke to make the mando with a cut roller of some kind or pitch to the drop zone; while playing from previous lie(tee) is stroke + distance although a better lie than last IB, but also brings back into the play the mando and OB.

If I were TD I think I would designate OB pre-mando to the mando drop zone. Post-mando OB back to standard OB rules.

Simplest would be just to specify that the drop zone can be used for both missed mando and OB. No need to use different OB rules for different parts of the hole. (Plus there is no such thing as a made mando, so doing what you suggested would be tough)
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Old 06-04-2021, 04:30 PM
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So this happened on Hole 5 at Patapsco Valley SP, road and beyond OB all along the left side and there is also a mando to prevent playing over the road. We think it went OB before the mando, then hit a car and disappeared.

Playing by standard rules it would be much more advantageous to have missed the mando and play from the drop zone. Playing from last IB might as well add another stroke to make the mando with a cut roller of some kind or pitch to the drop zone; while playing from previous lie(tee) is stroke + distance although a better lie than last IB, but also brings back into the play the mando and OB.

If I were TD I think I would designate OB pre-mando to the mando drop zone. Post-mando OB back to standard OB rules.
There is another option. Whether you like the rule or not....809.01 Abandoned Throw is always an option.

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A player may choose to abandon a their most recent throw by declaring their intention to the group. The abandoned throw and one penalty throw are counted in the player's score, and the player plays from the lie from which the abandoned throw was made. Penalty throws incurred by the abandoned throw are disregarded.
So, you could abandon the throw (count the throw and one additional stroke), you ignore the OB penalty stroke and rethrow from your lie.

This is a 'hate it or love it' rule. People hate it because bad throws aren't penalized - you can throw a really bad throw where it might take two or three shots to get back to a good lie....or take one stroke penalty, rethrow from the lie and hope to do better. People love it because it keeps them from taking a huge number of strokes for one bad toss. Except for the one stroke penalty, it's almost like taking a mulligan in ball golf.
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Old 06-04-2021, 04:51 PM
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...Except for the one stroke penalty, it's almost like taking a mulligan in ball golf.
Plus, you count the original throw. So, it's two throws worse than taking a mulligan.
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Old 06-04-2021, 05:01 PM
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(Plus there is no such thing as a made mando
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Old 06-04-2021, 05:25 PM
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There is only missing a mando. There is no such thing as making a mando.

Read through Section 804. Nothing defines when a mandatory is made. Only when it is missed.
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Old 06-04-2021, 06:18 PM
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There is only missing a mando. There is no such thing as making a mando.

Read through Section 804. Nothing defines when a mandatory is made. Only when it is missed.
https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-...isc-golf/80402
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804.01 Mandatory Routes and Objects

A. A mandatory route restricts the path the disc may take to the target. It is defined by one or more mandatory objects. Each mandatory object indicates whether the mandatory route passes to the left, right, below, or above it. The most common mandatories are: a single mandatory, which defines a mandatory route to the right or left; a double mandatory, which defines a mandatory route between two single mandatories; and a height-restricted double mandatory, which adds an upper boundary to a double mandatory.
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Old 06-04-2021, 07:03 PM
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804.01 was written that way to allow for the concept of required routes and prohibited routes. Only prohibited routes are specified.

Find in the rules what stipulates when a mandatory is made. You will not find it. You will only find the specification for when it is missed.
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Old 06-04-2021, 07:05 PM
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Disagree.
804.01 Mandatory Routes and Objects

A. A mandatory route restricts the path the disc may take to the target. It is defined by one or more mandatory objects. Each mandatory object indicates whether the mandatory route passes to the left, right, below, or above it. The most common mandatories are: a single mandatory, which defines a mandatory route to the right or left; a double mandatory, which defines a mandatory route between two single mandatories; and a height-restricted double mandatory, which adds an upper boundary to a double mandatory.
How do you know you've made a mando? When you haven't Missed It before holing out.
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804.01 was written that way to allow for the concept of required routes and prohibited routes. Only prohibited routes are specified.

Find in the rules what stipulates when a mandatory is made. You will not find it. You will only find the specification for when it is missed.
Throw a to b was a made mando. If not, then throw b to c is a missed mando.
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Throw a to b was a made mando. If not, then throw b to c is a missed mando.
Nope. Read 804.02 B
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