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Less difficult.
Ooookay, well, since you're in such a helpful mood, let me ask:

Why are par 5s less difficult than par 2s?

Or, maybe the question should be posed as:

Why should par 5s be less difficult than par 2s?
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Old 04-12-2018, 11:58 AM
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If you believe that a hole of a certain par should have similar chances to birdie and bogey, a par 2 would never have that balance since an ace is required to birdie. Par 3, 4 and 5 holes could be designed to have that balance of birdies and bogeys.

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Ooookay, well, since you're in such a helpful mood, let me ask:

Why are par 5s less difficult than par 2s?

Or, maybe the question should be posed as:

Why should par 5s be less difficult than par 2s?
Because to make under par on a par two one most hole out from the box. A par five gives someone with distance the chance to get make up ground on the green/basket and reach such in fewer shots than regulation.

Example: golfers can reach a par 5(some 4s too) green in fewer shots than regulation, but cannot reach a par three in fewer shots than regulation.
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Because to make under par on a par two one most hole out from the box. A par five gives someone with distance the chance to get make up ground on the green/basket and reach such in fewer shots than regulation.

Example: golfers can reach a par 5(some 4s too) green in fewer shots than regulation, but cannot reach a par three in fewer shots than regulation.
So, higher chance of birdie means less difficult? I'll buy that.

Now, to the corollaries.

For similar reasons, should a par 5 have a higher chance of bogey than a par 2?
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So, higher chance of birdie means less difficult? I'll buy that.

Now, to the corollaries.

For similar reasons, should a par 5 have a higher chance of bogey than a par 2?
Remember the language: "The higher the par, the easier the hole is, in relation to par."

Not sure on higher chance of bogey. I mean, if an individual really sucks off the tee, or has no distance to speak of, probably. I think really bad golfers don't like 5s because their errors are compounded. They get in the rough, behind trees etc. But for the most part, in golf and disc golf, the higher the par the shorter the approach shot. The shorter the approach shot, the better the score.
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Remember the language: "The higher the par, the easier the hole is, in relation to par."...
Where's that from? Why should it be true? Does it mean lower average score compared to par?
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Even when logged in there's tons of pages in this thread . . . I assume someone made it clear that par is 3 right?
Yes, but only when a player shoots a two.

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Where's that from? Why should it be true? Does it mean lower average score compared to par?
From me.

It's not really a should-it's how things work out for the reasons provided in that post.

I do not know. I'm going with-probably.
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:32 AM
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Here's where I'm at now.

Certainly par 5s should see more birdies than lower par holes. But I don't think it should be as many as ball golf is giving out - where they practically admit they're slapping 5s on some holes the players expect to get 4 on.

It's entirely possible -actually probable - that my method is too shy about giving out par 5s. This may have escaped notice because there are not enough of them to make much difference in the tests of performance so far.

The flaw in the underlying theory might be that different throws should be treated differently. Not just errorless vs. bad throws and par-saving throws, but also perhaps the last throw on a hole should be treated differently than the first throw on a long hole. Or, this might not be possible at all.

I still like the idea of not giving a hole a par 5 until it proves it's not a par 4.

So, the question I'd like everyone to chime in on is:

How easy can a par 5 be before it becomes a par 4?
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Here's where I'm at now.

Certainly par 5s should see more birdies than lower par holes. But I don't think it should be as many as ball golf is giving out - where they practically admit they're slapping 5s on some holes the players expect to get 4 on.


I still like the idea of not giving a hole a par 5 until it proves it's not a par 4.

So, the question I'd like everyone to chime in on is:

How easy can a par 5 be before it becomes a par 4?
There should be more in disc golf because putting is easier.

Par is assigned when the hole is laid out, not after it is played.
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