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Old 04-06-2019, 07:28 AM
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If you have a penis...you are man. If you have a vagina... you are woman. If you are offended I call you "what you were born". Sounds like "you" have issues.
The ignorance should hurt.
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:53 AM
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Please dont landfill this. Conversations like this one need to stop being suppressed, and are very important conversations to have. Please lets keep it civil.

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Old 04-06-2019, 09:16 AM
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Don’t see the issue. They already had a policy and simply updated it to mirror the IOC updates, right?

If there was a problem with former dudes winning F divisions we would have seen it by now.

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Casey's alternate facts strike again! She was not from India or Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya

and.... In before the Landfill
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:58 AM
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If you have a penis...you are man. If you have a vagina... you are woman.
This was good science fifty or sixty years ago, but through study we have learned since then that it's vastly more complicated than that.

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If you are offended I call you "what you were born".
Funny you should say that, as there is significant evidence that one is born transgender, due to the effects on development in the womb of the timing of the delivery of various hormones to the developing fetus.

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Sounds like "you" have issues.
The main issue most transgender people face is not a medical one -- medicine is pretty good at sorting that out nowadays. The main issue they have is dealing with an uneducated public who go out of their way to cause them no end of misery, through mockery, discrimination in employment and housing, social ostracization, and even expulsion from their families. They just want to live their lives and be happy the same as most other people, and at every turn they are met with resistance and abuse and rejection for no good reason.

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Old 04-06-2019, 10:25 AM
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Funny you should say that, as there is significant evidence that one is born transgender, due to the effects on development in the womb of the timing of the delivery of various hormones to the developing fetus.
Do you have the studies for this? I think this would be an interesting read.

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Don’t see the issue. They already had a policy and simply updated it to mirror the IOC updates, right?

If there was a problem with former dudes winning F divisions we would have seen it by now.
Some of us never knew the former policy existed.

While what you say is correct in that this has not happened in DG, we are a small sport that is only now starting to attract high level athletes. Sure, there have been a handful of high level athletes in the past and they dominated co-dominated the game.

Take any of the MPO players that have at least 1 x by their title and gender reassign them. Not only would they have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle and long bone structure, they also have hard wired neurological advantage on being able to judge spatial coordances and to be more co-ordinated.

So much is focused on hormones, bones and muscles, yet very little is being said about how the brains of males and females physically differ and much of this structure is already in place in the womb.

The males brain is specialised to have increased spatial awareness, increased reactions, better co-ordination and a higher ability to focus, whilst the female brain is better at tasks that require multitasking, communication and memory.

The physical brain and nervous system will still be whatever it was before gender reassignment.


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Old 04-06-2019, 10:54 AM
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Do you have the studies for this? I think this would be an interesting read.
Quickly skimming some search results, I got this pretty decent article written in casual language for the lay person, with links to more scholarly articles in the footnotes:

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...nder-identity/

For further reading, I suggest Googling "transgender epigenetics" or "transgender prenatal."

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From a practical standpoint, ratings divisions within the female amateur ranks will prevent what some may see as gender sandbagging since everyone considered female under this policy will not be able to play in a division below their rating level. Until we see a player who can retain a rating above say 990 after becoming qualified to enter FPO, that previously played in MPO, doesn't seem like this policy should be a concern for fair competition in female divisions.

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Old 04-06-2019, 11:14 AM
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From a practical standpoint, ratings divisions within the female amateur ranks will prevent what some may see as gender sandbagging since everyone considered female under this policy will not be able to play in a division below their rating level.
You know what really prevents gender sandbagging, not just in disc golf but in any sport?

The notion that a man would voluntarily transition to female, live as female pretty much forever, go through the medical hassle of hormone therapy, watching his (deleted) shrivel up like a Vienna sausage and a pair of old raisins, growing breasts, having to go through the hassle of changing his legal documentation with dozens or hundreds of companies and government agencies, and immediately joining the ranks of one of the single most despised and discriminated-against minorities, being a social pariah, facing ostracization from his peers and family, and all that. . .

Just to win some disc golf trophies.

Yeah no. There's a reason gender sandbagging isn't a thing. The boogey-man (no pun intended) of some guy just dropping everything and playing as a woman for the lols falls apart with more than a moment's casual thought.

Not picking on you, Chuck, just running with the topic since you mentioned it.

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