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Old 03-14-2019, 07:59 PM
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Sexcal would be better, but they won't do that.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:54 PM
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I've thrown a total of 2 Xcals now, both pfn star, one about 7/10 and the other 9+/10. To my surprise, I don't find either of them terribly OS. The beat one is a touch flatter, plh appears identical and they fly basically the same, beat one maybe a hair more OS. Quite a bit of lateral movement throwing into about a 10mph headwind. My numbers - 12/4.5/-1/3. I'm told the newer runs are very OS.

Going on 3 years playing and have made slow progress on form and power, both BH and FH. Been throwing Wraiths for distance to 350 max D but the Xcals are consistently going a little longer with a little less control. Can definitely mash on them FH but they aren't torque-proof.

Gonna bag one with my Wraiths and see how it progresses. I refuse to go down the Destroyer rabbit hole, pfn Xcals look like a cheaper quest.
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:05 PM
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I've thrown a total of 2 Xcals now, both pfn star, one about 7/10 and the other 9+/10. To my surprise, I don't find either of them terribly OS. The beat one is a touch flatter, plh appears identical and they fly basically the same, beat one maybe a hair more OS. Quite a bit of lateral movement throwing into about a 10mph headwind. My numbers - 12/4.5/-1/3. I'm told the newer runs are very OS.

Going on 3 years playing and have made slow progress on form and power, both BH and FH. Been throwing Wraiths for distance to 350 max D but the Xcals are consistently going a little longer with a little less control. Can definitely mash on them FH but they aren't torque-proof.

Gonna bag one with my Wraiths and see how it progresses. I refuse to go down the Destroyer rabbit hole, pfn Xcals look like a cheaper quest.
As a Wraith thrower I find this interesting. Are you throwing Star Xcals or older Echo Stars?
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:23 PM
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As a Wraith thrower I find this interesting. Are you throwing Star Xcals or older Echo Stars?
Patent # Star, the plastic is about medium firm. Earlier in this thread they talk about the older runs being nice throwers. As mentioned, I hear the newer runs are more OS though I've never thrown one. I love E* Wraiths so I'd like to get my hands on an E* Xcal.
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:43 PM
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XCals are definitely an overstable disc, but I agree they're mellow. I bag a champion. It WILL turn over into strong headwinds, but is solidly overstable in all other conditions.

I can't get as much distance with the XCal as I can Destroyers. Mine generally comes out in windy conditions or longish drives when I want a hard, consistent left finish.

I think what I like best about the XCal is that its pretty overstable, but can still be muscled out for good distance when you need it.
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Old 05-20-2019, 03:40 AM
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I got an old green echo xcal that’s new. To my surprise it had a considerable amount of turn before the hefty fade kicked in. Definitely more so than my Scorps. Really diggin it for sidearms.
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:50 AM
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I got an old green echo xcal that’s new. To my surprise it had a considerable amount of turn before the hefty fade kicked in. Definitely more so than my Scorps. Really diggin it for sidearms.
E* discs tend to be flippier than regular star or champion. The E* Destroyer I threw recently was almost flippy.

That plastic glides exceptionally well and seems very long.
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:10 PM
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Grabbed a Champ Xcal a few months ago and have been tossing it as my primary distance driver. I have to say, I'm impressed and surprised these aren't more popular. I suppose with the PD2 there isn't much name recognition going around. But for shots out beyond 350' with a good amount of wind, I've been pulling this out and just letting it rip. I've noticed zero turn but the fade seems to be reduced. As with others, I don't get the same distance as I would with a Destroyer or a Kong (erm...Zeus) but trust it in the wind more than either of those.

I'm quite surprised I ended up liking this disc. I recall owning a couple back in 2012/2013 and not being a fan, felt the Champ Boss did what I wanted the Xcal to do. Now, I find the opposite to be true.
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Old 07-17-2019, 05:01 PM
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Grabbed a Champ Xcal a few months ago and have been tossing it as my primary distance driver. I have to say, I'm impressed and surprised these aren't more popular. I suppose with the PD2 there isn't much name recognition going around. But for shots out beyond 350' with a good amount of wind, I've been pulling this out and just letting it rip. I've noticed zero turn but the fade seems to be reduced. As with others, I don't get the same distance as I would with a Destroyer or a Kong (erm...Zeus) but trust it in the wind more than either of those.

I'm quite surprised I ended up liking this disc. I recall owning a couple back in 2012/2013 and not being a fan, felt the Champ Boss did what I wanted the Xcal to do. Now, I find the opposite to be true.
You can find OS Destoyers that fly like an XCal, Look for a Domed Champion and has a slight PLH higher then normal. Those disc, the one I got in 2014 a normal dome is Almost XCal/Tee Rex OS and 2 that a friend got were more then XCal OS because he made a mistake and based his knowledge off Star and Pro Destroyer so he got 2 super pop top Champion Destoyers that are so OS the disc will do a hook at end of flight that is like this --> ) shape already. With Champion Destoyers you want a regular dome for an almost XCal/Tee Rex flight to low dome disc for a normal Destroyer flight or you end up with a Meat-hook that nobody can throw except maybe the top power pro players.

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Old 07-17-2019, 09:56 PM
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Are E* Xcals worth more? If so, how much would brand new, unthrown ones go for?
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