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Old 08-13-2019, 10:37 AM
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:44 AM
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I'd be that guy and ask why you're looking for a Champ Roc in the first place. While they're easy enough to source, of all the plastic types I've thrown, Champ's been my least favorite with Star being very close behind.

Considering a KC Roc can spend close to a decade in a bag (unless you play on gravel), has great grip in all conditions, and flies so well, I don't know why there's a need for a more premium blend. The same argument could be made for DX which is honestly even better except at the fresh stage where I like a little more beef.
Never thrown a KC with the beef of a good champ. And no KC is going to stay OS long if you’re throwing big hyzers with it.

Plus, Champs skip more.

I tend to think of my 3 KCs as driving Rocs, and the Champ as an upshot, utility, and wind Roc. That’s indestructible.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:47 AM
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:41 PM
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Never thrown a KC with the beef of a good champ. And no KC is going to stay OS long if you’re throwing big hyzers with it.

Plus, Champs skip more.

I tend to think of my 3 KCs as driving Rocs, and the Champ as an upshot, utility, and wind Roc. That’s indestructible.
Why give up all that glide for added stability when the Gator's available? Is this why overstable mids are pointless?

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Old 08-13-2019, 02:14 PM
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Yea I tend to agree, a fresh DX/KC is more than overstable enough for general midrange duties. I don't even tend to throw my fresh ones very much, my #2/#3 slots get way more use.

If I need more stability because of the wind or an extreme dogleg, I'm better off throwing something like a Gator or Firebird.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:33 PM
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Why give up all that glide for added stability when the Gator's available? Is this why overstable mids are pointless?
I throw Rocs. But I do want a Roc that is less likely to glide out or flip. But it'll still go 300' on a clean hyzer.

I have no need for Gator overstability.
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:58 PM
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Agreed. Occasionally I put a mortar in the bag, but always grab the champ roc anyway. Current roc lineup:
Champ rancho
2 KC fresh/straight
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I don’t think there is anything this set up can’t do.
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:46 PM
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I'm not sure I follow all this so I apologize if I'm not answering your question.
Yeah... i ramble sometimes and this just hit post. Sometimes I re-read the next day and I don't know what I was asking.

But that sums it up thanks. Star is just not sought after for Rocs and I think I can feel why.
the PLH on the San Marino is also very low, not just domey.

I'll just have to get to a field and throw all of these mids I now have and see what I like.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:22 PM
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Star Rancho Rocs usually just mold up with drummer tops and plussy rims. I avoid them.
Unless you get an 06 USDGC Star Rancho. Those have mild dome, no plus rim, and are the beefiest Roc’s I’ve thrown. Beefier than my 05 and 06 champs.
Rocs seem to just be all over the place in general, just gotta know what you’re looking for I suppose!
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:52 PM
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Unless you get an 06 USDGC Star Rancho. Those have mild dome, no plus rim, and are the beefiest Roc’s I’ve thrown. Beefier than my 05 and 06 champs.
Rocs seem to just be all over the place in general, just gotta know what you’re looking for I suppose!
Yeah, there are those and there is another run of them that was supposed to be good. So if you are totally 100% set on getting a good Star Rancho and price be damned you can probably find one. I'm also pretty confident that finding a good Star Rancho Roc on the shelf at a store has the same probability as playing the lottery; you might get a winner, but you probably will end up with something that is worthless.
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