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Old 03-24-2019, 01:12 PM
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Hey just a quick shout out... Thanks!

I've been trying to use the swim move BH with meh results... I'm a BH player and yeah I feel like I can get something out of it but its messing with my timing but...

I'm a weak FH player and using the swim move for FH has made for instant results. It starts my shoulder rotation and has helped unjam me, I'm easily getting 60-80+ feet more, less pain, better control. My FH form must be awful haha....
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Old 08-25-2019, 02:57 PM
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Sometimes I feel like SW is reading minds. Was thinking offarm just before this new video came out:



Offarm been coming to my nightmares for quite a while since I haven't been able to figure it out, have tried this swimming move several times and it always felt off and not powerfull enough to incorporate into my swing. Finally figured why... I have this bad habit of striding little closed to my trajectory line and when I tried to swim 180 degrees away from trajectory line it always felt like offarm came into my way.

Well I started to think about my left leg countering the throw to right and tried to feel the same kind of counter with my left arm. Suddenly my body wanted to do that swimming stroke to southeast direction (North being the target and south 180 degrees from target, sorry about my bad english).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uu5y8-ltU

This might be horribly wrong and my reasoning behind it aswell, but wanted to share for discussion/learning purposes.

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Old 08-27-2019, 07:54 PM
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Sometimes I feel like SW is reading minds. Was thinking offarm just before this new video came out:
That video is great, I tried it with an upside down broom to act as the stick and it made me feel a different timing and shift than I ever have before. Once you feel it, it's easy to replicate.

Basically it makes me feel like how McBeth's off arm looks...and it's pretty different to what I have been doing. Hopefully it's correct. I feel like the motion moves forward with the left arm very early, to get my torso to the front leg. The rear arm pushing motion on the stick is more to help the shift of the whole body/CoM rather than to release the arm which would be way late. Once I've done that push, I feel like the left arm is forward and can do the stall/counter of my swing, and then as my swing is releasing my left arm is already in front of my spine and body and can just continue to carry forward with my follow through. It's not lagging behind my spine or away from my body.

The move is almost twofold, it first helps move my balance to my front leg, then after that it helps my throwing arm release away a bit. Then it's in the right place in front of me to keep my body following through fully, rather than slowing it.

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Pretty much at his full reach back (also interesting to note he is really using the front step to stay square and get a reach back with his body movement imo rather than thrusting his arm back and throwing body out of alignment) he has the swim arm start. Once he kicks the drive in gear the swim motion. This is some crazy **** Im not sure I can train myself to do this but going to try. great thread.


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Old 10-16-2019, 03:59 PM
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...also interesting to note he is really using the front step to stay square and get a reach back with his body movement imo rather than thrusting his arm back and throwing body out of alignment...
This is a great point! I'm sure SW has said it before but I wasn't ready to understand it. I recently realized I hadn't been engaging my core enough in the kinetic chain. I also had been using my torso to turn back and now I see I need to use my core to turn back.

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Old 10-16-2019, 08:32 PM
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This is a great point! I'm sure SW has said it before but I wasn't ready to understand it. I recently realized I hadn't been engaging my core enough in the kinetic chain. I also had been using my torso to turn back and now I see I need to use my core to turn back.
I think he's referring to working the body around the disc, rather than "reaching back".
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:12 PM
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I think he's referring to working the body around the disc, rather than "reaching back".
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...ad.php?t=91096
I think see what you are saying. So before I was moving my shoulders around the arm/disc with the axis centered higher up in the torso instead of moving my torso around the arm/disc with the axis centered near the core so that the core loads instead of the upper body loading.

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Old 10-17-2019, 03:52 AM
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This is a great point! I'm sure SW has said it before but I wasn't ready to understand it. I recently realized I hadn't been engaging my core enough in the kinetic chain. I also had been using my torso to turn back and now I see I need to use my core to turn back.


Real quick note, this morning went well as I focused simply on a good front foot plant that was not turned out, this led to much better drives obviously but it forced my core to get more involved rather than my torso.

Im seeing more similarities to a proper squash backhand the more I practice disc golf.

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