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Old 08-26-2019, 04:24 PM
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i was going to mention panther creek state park but wellsbranch just beat me to it.

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Old 08-26-2019, 04:50 PM
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Wilcox Park DGC Milan NY Dan Doyle Designed (also did Warwick DGC) 18 hole par 72
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what is a legit par 72 was not defined by the OP.
but for the sake of argument a score difference per shot on this course is roughly 7 rating points per throw. A 68 might come out to roughly a 970 which is pro level as define by the PDGA. I can't back any of these numbers up because there is no PDGA data on the blue tees and all far basket placement configuration.

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If SSA actually is that far below par, then par is probably set for amateur players, not pros. I think this thread is about courses that have legit par 72s for pros.

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There are probably some 24 hole legit par 72 courses out there.
Course par for 24longs at Idlewild is 90 I think...

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The new No Boundary course in Pittsburgh, (Cranberry Township) PA is a legit Par 71. It hasn’t had a rated round yet, but the pros who have played it have said par will be over 1000 rated.
I can vouch for this. North Boundary is no joke.

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Old 08-27-2019, 09:17 AM
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who is saying we need more par 3s? most of our courses are 54 and even newer ones rarely break 63.

these are spot on. Ryan, maybe you forgot that the context of this thread was courses with a par of 72. the point is not that we need more par 3s, it's that we don't need so many 4s and 5s that we only have a handful of 3s left.
I don't think we are anywhere close to worrying about that. I'd venture that 80% of holes are 3s right now.
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Relative to the typical par distribution on a traditional golf course (2 3's, 5 4's 2 5's per 9) I would say it does indeed mean we should have more of them. YMMV.
I don't understand your thoughts. Would you mind expanding on this more for me?
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Old 08-27-2019, 09:43 AM
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During the BFDO this year, the par was set to 67 and SSA came in at a 62. The course needs to be either lengthened or have more trees for it to be an SSA 72 course. Still fun and very challenging if the wind is up.
For tournaments they shorten a few of the holes that play more unfairly to par three from the short tee. But either way the ssa is not going to come in at par do to the majority of open holes.

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Old 08-27-2019, 10:09 AM
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For tournaments they shorten a few of the holes that play more unfairly to par three from the short tee. But either way the ssa is not going to come in at par do to the majority of open holes.
Huh? Open holes can't have accurate pars?
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Relative to the typical par distribution on a traditional golf course (2 3's, 5 4's 2 5's per 9) I would say it does indeed mean we should have more of them. YMMV.
John, you've clearly got a lot more experience than I do designing courses, and I'd like to get into the process someday, so I'm partially trying to pick your brain so I can get better, and partially trying to figure out where we disagree in philosophy.

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