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Old 08-26-2019, 11:57 AM
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The Great Debate.

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Old 08-26-2019, 12:05 PM
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Greatest ever= Most accomplishments against contemporaries
Best Ever= On any given day,the most skill and the best golfer. Better athlete.

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Interesting argument, and/or way to put it. Because by that definition, Pat Mahomes is the "best ever" NFL quarterback. And I don't think many would say that today.

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Old 08-26-2019, 12:28 PM
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Lol...Gee who's better - the current champ or the former champ. Some of the greatest exercises of futility on the internet of all time.

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Old 08-28-2019, 11:39 AM
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Interesting argument, and/or way to put it. Because by that definition, Pat Mahomes is the "best ever" NFL quarterback. And I don't think many would say that today.
I thought people talked about Aaron Rogers like that. He's the most talented, most likely to make a certain throw at any given time, but Tom is the Greatest because he wins more.

Because golf is so much more individual, I think it works better that way. Football relies greatly on the abilities of others on your team.
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Gretzky vs. Crosby

Jordan vs. James

The parameters in which these kind of assessments should be made don’t overlap. It’s just the transcendence of great players. There is (maybe ) always going to be someone that is one of a kind.

McBeth more or less equals Climo, same with other comparisons. It’s a privilege we have awesome sports that evolve and players that evolve with them.
Nobody thinks Crosby is close to Gretzky and you'll be hard pressed to find people that put James over Jordan. Climo had his time. P McB is just better.
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Because golf is so much more individual, I think it works better that way. Football relies greatly on the abilities of others on your team.
And coaching. Some football coaches are stubborn and refuse to bend their philosophy or playbook to maximize the talent on their roster. They are going to run their playbook come hell or highwater; whereas, the winning coaches like Belichick, are constantly adapting to the ebbs and flows of his roster.
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Elway at the top of his game was the best I have ever seen but he was much less consistently at the top of his game than many others. Brady=GOAT.
These are terrible takes.

Elway had some putrid years and is most likely the most overrated player of all time.

Belichick is the engine that makes the Pats winners. He wins with back ups. He doesn't need Brady. Brady needs him.
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These are terrible takes.

Elway had some putrid years and is most likely the most overrated player of all time.

Belichick is the engine that makes the Pats winners. He wins with back ups. He doesn't need Brady. Brady needs him.
Why yes they are.
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weak arguments. the competition is better, why dance around the facts and bias the argument with mixed case letters every paragraph?

winning percentage is weak. the avg. rating of mcbeth's competitors per tournament is higher than the avg. rating of climo's competitors.

average win margin, again weak. see above regarding avg. rating of competition.

age when winning worlds. really? rating longevity or avg. rating over time are the much better arguments (these should have been fleshed out a bit more in the following paragraph).

fiscally solid support system? see above arguments about avg. rating of competition. more money from sponsors = more players touring/less road grinding & panhandling/more time for disc golf practice and play with better piers = better players. plus, the fiscal system is the same for all players competing against each other in each era. every player benefits to the best of their ability.

diet, sports nutrition? what, people didn't know you can eat lean meats and vegetables in the 90's? people didn't know that a balanced diet was important for athletes playing sports? ok.

building a bag of rocs teebirds eagles? yes please, even with today's 'better equipment'. we have seen paul crush (and finesse) putters mids and fairways BH. come on, let's do better than disc tech.

oh, let me digress and throw in this one: the modern FH was not around when climo played. please. stokley was a contemporary master at FHs, with the same molds available. kenny couldn't have practiced this?

oh, zuca carts weren't around? quad straps sure were (and smaller bags too). how many pros really use a cart anyway? name 10, 20 pros other than ricky.

dry-fit clothing? now i'm ROFLing.

can't. go. on.

will.. not... forsake McBEaSt...

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Old 08-28-2019, 04:38 PM
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The now vs. then argument is basically the same in all sports. It's always harder to dominate as a sport grows larger because the talent pool grows with it. Paul taking first or second place in eight straight World's is insane. But winning 12 times is also insane. Even if we remove the pure talent element from the equation, think of what kind of competitiveness, focus and commitment it takes to best your peers in nine straight championships. Even if you're better than everyone, that is SO hard to do in any discipline. That's like Michael Jordan-level stuff.

I can't decide. I am in awe of both of them.

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