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Does the CPM change if the ads are shown in some percentage of the screen while live action is showing? Seems like that's how soccer dealt with the getting ads shown during constant action.
With dynamic ad insertion, you can't do lower third ads from my understanding. But, I would like to see some more of that done in disc golf in general. It is something I have brought up a few times. Lower third ads would have to be non-dynamic something that we put in manually. And usually with those ads, you get more money because they are more highly focused on the demographic that advertiser is looking for.

And Dymanic ads can range from $8 - $100 CPM, But it is really rare to get those BIG numbers. Most are around $10-15.
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Old 08-31-2019, 09:51 PM
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What would be sad is if their choice of venues is still tied to cell phone signal. Unless the donor is dropping big money into satellite trucks, hard wire, equipment and bandwidth (or there is some sort of different cell technology available) live coverage will continue to be bleh. IMO the biggest conceptual mistake by DGPT to this point has been the marriage to live coverage above all else.
Right now due to how you can't see other players in disc golf tournament after the shot like in traditional golf is why I do not follow the events live, it is all the lead card or the like. So it does not bother me when the now after 3rd or 4th event the Disc Golf Pro Tour dropped doing the non Live Post production for the YouTube channels that had been doing it for a while.

So yeah the big mistake is to be married to live coverage and not able to be at some courses. I know that some of the disc golf courses in the NT that should move up or move an event like the Minnesota Majestic to the Disc Golf Pro Tour is not possible due to not having a signal at the event. Also the other mistake was in 2018 making the groups have a phone like thing given to them to use for the tournament to use to get the U-Disc app on it to see scores live and being married to the app for the Disc Golf Pro Tour, some events in the Disc Golf National Tour did not use the app on phones to see other players during the event, as the scores from U-Disc app did not show up on the Disc Golf National Tour.
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Old 08-31-2019, 11:13 PM
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Hopefully Rainwater and Spring are smart enough to refrain from coaching and stay off the 18th green when the tournament champ is about to putt for the win.
They might actually be commantators for the lead card post round coverage the whole time, so if they do not work as commentators...Yikes!

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Old 09-01-2019, 12:23 AM
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According to the DGPT they are opening up an RFP for post production coverage. So that could mean that CCDG, Gatekeeper, GK Pro, etc gets the nod depending on what they are offering. I have a lot of faith in the new direction of the DGPT.
As in "Request For Proposal? Meaning highest bid gets to produce the post coverage?

For ****es and giggles.. you seem to average around 3k live viewers a round, how many of those do you think would pay $5.00 to watch the final round live?
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:14 AM
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As in "Request For Proposal? Meaning highest bid gets to produce the post coverage?

For ****es and giggles.. you seem to average around 3k live viewers a round, how many of those do you think would pay $5.00 to watch the final round live?
Don't know? Maybe 800. But I don't think the smart move would be to sell it individually. I think you offer a season pass as WELL as individual events. But how knows. I am sure all things will be discussed this off season.

And as far as highest bidder. ??? That is another good question. The RFP could include other things beyond just cost. I am really excited to see it honestly, because I don't know what it will include. I do hope that they talk with the media to see what it all entails. It could be that the RFP includes FPO1 as well. Because as we stated earlier, there isn't a lot of demand to cover that card, due to the low numbers it pulls.

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Old 09-01-2019, 09:54 AM
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Does the CPM change if the ads are shown in some percentage of the screen while live action is showing? Seems like that's how soccer dealt with the getting ads shown during constant action.
Jomez was doing some of that as people were putting out at the end of a hole. It was jarring to see the screen go small as the split screen happened, and then I couldn't see the people putting.

TL;DR: split screens for ads with live action svcks, so sorry.

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Old 09-01-2019, 10:16 AM
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Jomez was doing some of that as people were putting out at the end of a hole. It was jarring to see the screen go small as the split screen happened, and then I couldn't see the people putting.

TL;DR: split screens for ads with live action svcks, so sorry.
Live was doing that earlier this year, and it indeed sucked. At least with Jomez, they can pick the moment they do it so that nothing other than routine drop-ins are "lost" to the shrunken frame. With live there's the chance (and it did happen) that the frame is shrunk for an ad and then something noteworthy happens, like a missed putt.

If there were to be ads put in during the action, better it be a lower third thing that maybe briefly takes over the space where the scoreboard is. Jomez has done that a little bit, and Dynamic does it as well on their tournament coverage. Much less obtrusive, though probably also worth less from a revenue standpoint.
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Live was doing that earlier this year, and it indeed sucked. At least with Jomez, they can pick the moment they do it so that nothing other than routine drop-ins are "lost" to the shrunken frame. With live there's the chance (and it did happen) that the frame is shrunk for an ad and then something noteworthy happens, like a missed putt.

If there were to be ads put in during the action, better it be a lower third thing that maybe briefly takes over the space where the scoreboard is. Jomez has done that a little bit, and Dynamic does it as well on their tournament coverage. Much less obtrusive, though probably also worth less from a revenue standpoint.
I don't mind the split screen ads too much. But you are right, with live there is always a chance that something happens. Like someone missing an 8 footer... (that NEVER happens, haha). But I do prefer some nice lower third graphics instead.
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I have no idea if Jomez will be back or not. According to the DGPT they are opening up an RFP for post production coverage. So that could mean that CCDG, Gatekeeper, GK Pro, etc gets the nod depending on what they are offering. I have a lot of faith in the new direction of the DGPT.
GK Pro has really stepped up in the last few years even offering a flight thing like Jomez, calling it a Fight Tracker to avoid the commentary/announcers calling it something else. CCDG has fallen behind the pack, and is only a option equal to Thediscgolfguy when he is doing his tournament footage mostly of the females or tournaments not covered in the USA by other production companies.

I hope we get better female coverage, I would like that to see them play and have what the males end up with and not just a CCDG type coverage.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:38 PM
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I understand the need for revenue but as a programmer, I will always have dynamic ads blocked. They are a security risk both to one's system as well as one's PII.

If someone builds a system where I can't watch the video with my blocking, or rerouting, of scripts, then I will simply not watch.

I am a capitalist and I am will to pay a modest amount for post production tournaments that I am interested in; I would guess quite a bit more than they would get from dynamic ads.

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