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GingerandHoney had a really long post I didn't read after the really long post Dave wrote that I didn't read. I assumed the one really long post was in answer the the other really long post. :shrugs:
Kind of, it was about half an answer. Honestly I don’t care anyway. Everyone is acting like this one transisitioned person is an expert on all things trans. It’s ridiculous really.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:03 AM
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Kind of, it was about half an answer. Honestly I don’t care anyway. Everyone is acting like this one transisitioned person is an expert on all things trans. It’s ridiculous really.

Not that the expertise of everyone else in this thread is unquestionable.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:18 AM
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Kind of, it was about half an answer. Honestly I don’t care anyway. Everyone is acting like this one transisitioned person is an expert on all things trans. It’s ridiculous really.
There are actually three trans women participating in this thread. And your "everyone" is like 5 people. Just saying.

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Old 09-02-2019, 10:21 AM
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There are actually three trans women participating in this thread. And your "everyone" is like 5 people. Just saying.
How are there 3 trans women on a disc golf forum?
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:30 AM
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I was going to ask this weeks ago, but the little angel on my shoulder said I shouldn't.
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:31 AM
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Kind of, it was about half an answer. Honestly I don’t care anyway. Everyone is acting like this one transisitioned person is an expert on all things trans. It’s ridiculous really.
I mean I figure she knows more about it from personal experience than me. Or you. Or Dave.

About all a thread like this is good for is getting her first-hand experience. The rest of this stuff is not my area of expertise. So there is a study that says men throw things farther and more accurately than women. OK. What does that mean as it related to this thread? I don't know. Laura can't go win FPO now, she's not good enough. So the fact that she should have a biological advantage at throwing things means...what?

When I started working where I work now we had a mountain of policies because they had gone through every scenario and created a policy that would keep someone from exploiting any loophole that might exist to get away with something that was using a resource in a way that wasn't the intended use. In theory it kept thing "fair." In practice I called it "Keep asking questions until you found a reason to tell them 'no'". In the effort to keep things fair, they created a ridiculous bureaucratic maze that excluded everyone whose needs did not fit the vary narrow definition we created of who we were going to serve. The maze itself managed to exclude people who DID fit the definition of who were were going to serve, the cheese wasn't tasty enough to endure the maze.

When I got promoted I dismantled the maze, got rid of the policies and let people use the resources the way they needed to. Nothing bad happened. None of the doomsday "People are going to overwhelm us with X, Y or Z" scenarios ever came true. All that stuff that people spent a lot of time and energy fearing never happened.

So I'm over it. I'm not afraid of Laura. She's just somebody frolfing. If she wasn't open about being transgender, very few people would know. IMO the fear of Laura and people like her will end up being a lot worse for us than anything Laura could actually do.

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Because transgendered people exist and they do stuff. Some of them frolf. Some of them transitioned in a time when society in general was less accepting so they don't announce or advertise their story. Laura is lucky in a way that she feels like she can be open about it. Others might not feel that way, which says more about us than them.

So, yeah. We have been talking to transgender females on this message board for years. Surprised? You shouldn't be.

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I mean I figure she knows more about it from personal experience than me. Or you. Or Dave.

About all a thread like this is good for is getting her first-hand experience. The rest of this stuff is not my area of expertise. So there is a study that says men throw things farther and more accurately than women. OK. What does that mean as it related to this thread? I don't know. Laura can't go win FPO now, she's not good enough. So the fact that she should have a biological advantage at throwing things means...what?

When I started working where I work now we had a mountain of policies because they had gone through every scenario and created a policy that would keep someone from exploiting any loophole that might exist to get away with something that was using a resource in a way that wasn't the intended use. In theory it kept thing "fair." In practice I called it "Keep asking questions until you found a reason to tell them 'no'". In the effort to keep things fair, they created a ridiculous bureaucratic maze that excluded everyone whose needs did not fit the vary narrow definition we created of who we were going to serve. The maze itself managed to exclude people who DID fit the definition of who were were going to serve, the cheese wasn't tasty enough to endure the maze.

When I got promoted I dismantled the maze, got rid of the policies and let people use the resources the way they needed to. Nothing bad happened. None of the doomsday "People are going to overwhelm us with X, Y or Z" scenarios ever came true. All that stuff that people spent a lot of time and energy fearing never happened.

So I'm over it. I'm not afraid of Laura. She's just somebody frolfing. If she wasn't open about being transgender, very few people would know. IMO the fear of Laura and people like her will end up being a lot worse for us than anything Laura could actually do.
I have no fears of lgbtq people. The only question here is fairness. Is it fair for natural born females if transitioned females are competing against them? Is it fair for transitioned females if they are told that they can’t compete?

I get it. Laura was always a female in her heart and in her mind and she needed her body to reflect that as much as our current medical science can allow. The truth of the matter is that if you are born male you will never be 100% physically female. Not with our current level of medical technology. Because of this, there will always be questions about fairness from somebody. And, the higher up the competitive ladder Laura goes, the louder those voices will be.

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