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Old 10-25-2018, 01:48 PM
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So is it ok to go over the top?

I naturally like to kind GG my left arm, and I have noticed I throw a bit farther, but tend to miss my line a bit more.

Swimming under like most pros requires me to think in my swing, while the same move 'over the top' just happens without thought.

If you see that 360 I posted in my form thread I did it without thinking.

https://youtu.be/bFX9cn9g72I
Absolutely! Whatever is most comfortable or natural to you. I'm not sure the full overhead works with 360s though, you never see those guys doing 360s in distance competition, even GG doesn't do 360s. I am all for experimentation like Bruce Lee.
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Old 10-25-2018, 02:19 PM
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Great. I've tried to train it out of my throw, but it leaves me feeling 'loose' on the rear side when I don't do it
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Old 10-25-2018, 02:46 PM
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https://instagram.com/p/BpVjS3QFAYN/

I’ve been working on my 360, very slowly, but after I posted a thread on here about using it as a tool - it fell to the wayside. The thing I like about the 360 is that your body knows it has to brace in order to convert the spin to a forward ejection. The 2nd shot was legit 475’ without using a distance line, which is about the best I’ve ever done. The offside swim move is something I can take out if I want to throw more touch and power down, or add in and get extra pace on the disc. It’s become ingrained in my throwing and something I think only works when the timing is dialed and the swinging arm might really help with getting that timing fixed, if that’s something a player is stuck on.

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Old 10-26-2018, 10:02 AM
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It's interesting to me how early the pros seem to start bringing the arm in or - maybe better stated - prepare to bring the arm in tight. Yet they are still shifting weight from behind/hershyzering to the plant foot.

This might be Gibson's old form but see at 1:02-3 how he's already at least started/preparing to do swim move.

https://youtu.be/V6cfbVCUdBQ?t=63
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Old 10-26-2018, 10:27 AM
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It's interesting to me how early the pros seem to start bringing the arm in or - maybe better stated - prepare to bring the arm in tight. Yet they are still shifting weight from behind/hershyzering to the plant foot.

This might be Gibson's old form but see at 1:02-3 how he's already at least started/preparing to do swim move.

https://youtu.be/V6cfbVCUdBQ?t=63
That's his new form.

IMO it's much easier to learn from his older form, same with McBeth. Their older forms are much more free wheeling. Now their form is all tightened up. I think you have to get to that free wheeling swing before you can tighten it up. You have to go through the same swing evolution they and myself did. I don't think you can really skip into their tight form without understand a free wheeling swing.

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That's his new form.

IMO it's much easier to learn from his older form, same with McBeth. Their older forms are much more free wheeling. Now their form is all tightened up. I think you have to get to that free wheeling swing before you can tighten it up. You have to go through the same swing evolution they and myself did. I don't think you can really skip into their tight form without understand a free wheeling swing.
Fair enough!

So which forms from post #s 19-20 could be considered "free wheeling" and easier & acceptable to learn from? And/or which should be saved for later? I wanna be free wheelin
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After some experimentation I had interesting first results.

Pros:

The timing makes more sense now that I realize the arm is coming forward with the weight shift and I'm kind of directing that force right towards my front foot (brace).

When I did it right I saw increased distance.

My misses were early releases, nothing really went right. After tightening my grip a bit I think this was getting better

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The power pocket feels really crowded to me. My usual swim move sort of happens outside my torso, and never really gets in tight to my body or in the way of my swing. I'm worried about this messing with bringing the disc deep into the power pocket, but I haven't had a chance to look at myself on video.

I seemed to be releasing high when I stopped focusing.

Because I'm sort of throwing my arm forward into the brace, my trailing shoulder seems to be lower than my leading shoulder. Watching McBeth I see something similar, but I also thought this might be why I'm releasing high more often?

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I think the cons might just be ironed out with practice and repetition. I also always think Paul's power pocket looks really crowded so maybe I'm on the right track and haven't gotten used to it yet. I've been throwing really well lately and I hate throwing a wrench into it, but I also want to continuously improve, so whatever. My season is over anyways, I played my last big tournament and won! First time I was able to string two hot rounds together and take first. Really seeing the dedication to field work this spring/summer pay off big time.

If there was a time for experimentation, it's now.
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Fair enough!

So which forms from post #s 19-20 could be considered "free wheeling" and easier & acceptable to learn from? And/or which should be saved for later? I wanna be free wheelin
Old Drew just like Linus Astrom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnOu8ePftkw#t=3m50s

Although IMO the Best Free Wheeling Backswing involves a more forward pump and hop:








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Old Drew just like Linus Astrom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnOu8ePftkw#t=3m50s

Although IMO the Best Free Wheeling Backswing involves a more forward pump and hop:
OK cool... so to clarify, as long as I'm doing the forward pump and hop then I'm free wheeling ...

I guess I meant, specifically, in terms of copying/learning the rear arm... are all fine to try out ("not tight/free wheeling")?

Edit: add: I guess in those gifs above of those hopping the rear arm is pretty similar.

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Cons:

The power pocket feels really crowded to me. My usual swim move sort of happens outside my torso, and never really gets in tight to my body or in the way of my swing. I'm worried about this messing with bringing the disc deep into the power pocket, but I haven't had a chance to look at myself on video.

I seemed to be releasing high when I stopped focusing.

Because I'm sort of throwing my arm forward into the brace, my trailing shoulder seems to be lower than my leading shoulder. Watching McBeth I see something similar, but I also thought this might be why I'm releasing high more often?

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I think the cons might just be ironed out with practice and repetition. I also always think Paul's power pocket looks really crowded so maybe I'm on the right track and haven't gotten used to it yet.

If there was a time for experimentation, it's now.
Note how McBeth's rear arm is more out of the way(allowing a more free wheeling body pivot/arm swing back and forth) on his older form/distance throws:

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