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I fell in love with esp buzzz ss's, feels like slightly stabler midrange version of nova (no fade basically), great for anhyzers that need to keep the angle till the end and for hyzer shots that flip up flat and stay straight till the end. Also bag mcbeth esp buzzz's, which can handle headwinds really well also, like that those both feel pretty much the same in hand.

For stable midrange I got hybrid justice, probably most overstable midrange I've ever thrown. I bought it to serve as utility disc and specially for those short S-shaped fairways where only option is to throw forehand in heavy anhyzer angle with a disc that can fight out of it and fade back right. Love it for backhand aswell whenever I feel like the shot has to get steeply to left at the end.
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:05 PM
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Thanks for the tip! And if you or anyone has any recommendations for a disc like I was asking about, that would be really helpful. Thanks
For mids it seems like you are finding your Mako3 is very straight or will turn slightly, but the Fuse may be too US. I would keep working on both of those to see if you can adjust your angle and they work better, both of those are very good discs.

Between both of those, the Core and Claymore are very similar to the Fuse but more stable...similar speed and glide though. However they may not hold a turn all the way to the ground unless thrown hard. The BuzzzSS is like the Mako3 in characteristics but maybe a bit less stable. These are hard to recommend blindly for this specific slot as all discs are slightly different and this slot is very dependent on a thrower's arm speed, spin, and nose down. It's an advanced shot.

The Comet is my go to turnover mid. Flatter Comets are less stable. They feel like an old school mid in hand, I don't like how they feel but they fly amazing. They are more like a putter in how they like to be thrown, but at midrange diameter and distances. It takes time to learn the Comet but they will hold turnovers to the ground.

Basically keep in mind you can't just buy a new stable-US disc and expect to know how to throw it within the first couple throws, they take learning with respect to your own throwing capabilities and arm speed. I like the Comet because it can be thrown high without stalling out, so it can be thrown on very high annies and turnover lines. It doesn't like low line drives as much as the Fuse but if you can throw hard and clean it will still carry farther/easier than putters on low lines.

For fairways if you like the FD, then the Leopard or Leo3 has a bit less fade when they are beat in. Very similar family of disc. Some premium like champ/star can be more stable than you want initially. If I were to recommend blindly I would say try a Gstar Leo3 as it should turnover more and fade less than your FD's. The FD is more -1/1 to me, like it wants to drift right and drift back to middle. A Leo that has had the fade beat out of it, or that starts on the less stable end of the spectrum, will turn more than the FD and hold that direction to the right for longer. Even though it's a narrower rim slightly and called a speed 6, I have no issue throwing them as far as any other fairway driver.

The Sidewinder is also amazing but definitely a longer disc than most/all fairway drivers. Can try that in Gstar or Star. When the fade is beat out of them they will fly turnover lines at any height as long as you can throw nose down.

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So I'm not even going to post video from last night's practice, it was horrible. I'm totally regressing all of a sudden now. I had that break through a few weeks ago, then pretty much every practice since, my form and throwing results have gotten steadily worse. I feel like the balance is the only thing I am continually getting slightly better at each time. Timing is always iffy or horrible and I just hardly ever feel like my lower body movements pair up with the distance I see. With how much weight and energy is moving forward, the transfer of power/energy to the disc is being lost and it feels awkward. Throwing a lot of yank pulls again and 20-40' shorter than normal throws that go straight and then hyzer out. Doesn't matter if I stand still, do the X hammer pendulum or an actual X step. All of them result in horrible or subpar throws and all of them just feel like so much energy is not being transferred to the disc. When I was playing golf, I could put in like 60-80% power and get almost 100% of my max distance. It was effortless. I'm just not finding that secret sauce that I had in golf with Disc throwing and it just feels like too many things are "possibly" to blame. In golf, it was one thing that was holding me back. So this is crazy frustrating annoying.

So some things I've been thinking about how to do, or how to do better, or just thinking about lately are the following:

1. Am I swinging my upper body and arm too fast too early in the swing? I go back and read certain posts/emails/and blog entries from HUB, and I just constantly see the message of SLOW DOWN. And then SLOW DOWN EVEN MORE. Which I understand and don't at the same time. If you watch any good player, they're not going slow. Unless it's a shorter touch shot. They may be smooth, but they definitely are going medium speed in the back swing and then FULL OUT on the throw. But I'm just wondering, should it be much slower than you think all the way until the disc is around your chest area? Or before that?

A few examples would be golf or tennis. In golf, in order to hit a controllable/repeatable long shot, the timing is as follows: slow in the back swing, medium in the initial downswing, and then near the hip or just lower, the swing and momentum starts to really ramp up and achieve maximum club head speed just before you hit the ball and right through the ball. Exact same for tennis backhand. I'd set my body up for the angle, come in closed to the ball with a slow back swing, then as I start swinging the racket forward it picks up speed and is going medium speed, then all that body momentum and forward energy from the racket really ramps up right before the ball and explodes through.

Is that what I want to be trying to accomplish with a disc golf throw? Because when I read go super slow, I have no idea how I'm supposed to get such high disc speed if I'm going so slow for most of the swing. Especially when I read about keeping slow UNTIL you get to the middle of your chest. That's almost at the actual hit/release point by then. So how can you be going so slow and then instantly so fast? There needs to be some other part of the throw where your arm/shoulders/torso gains a good amount of speed before that in order to get a ramping up effect of energy being transferred to the disc. So I'm having a hard time connecting this feeling to a disc, but NO problem with a tennis racket or golf club.

2. I'm still having trouble figuring out the timing and where the weight transfers take place to utilize your forward movement and how to efficiently transfer it to the arm so that the disc feels heavy. In tennis, golf, baseball, it was crazy easy to get past the beginner stage and into the intermediate and then lower advanced phases. The beginning and then the final polishing were the hardest parts of "learning" the swings. But in disc golf, i feel that ALL of it is hard, and all of it is going to take forever because the disc weighs nothing and we are not using a racket or club. So I'm trying to figure out when and where the weight transfer should be at certain parts of the throw in order to FEEL the heaviness of the disc/arm, because I can't right now. No matter how I do things, it just doesn't feel efficient.

I watch Simon, Paul, Seppo, Eagle, etc, and I can SEE how at certain points in each of their throws, where the disc gets heavy and how they can so efficiently SLING it out with little effort. But I try to do it, and it's pathetic. I just can't figure out HOW to do that in my own swing. Meaning, I always feel like my weight transfer moving forward is not syncing up with the arm coming through to produce that heavy powerful smash I feel in golf, tennis, baseball. My weight transfer and arm are not in time, and I don't feel my weight transfer has ANY effect on slinging the disc farther. So in golf/tennis/baseball, I can FEEL when my club/racket is heavy, and when it's not. And I can manipulate that to hit the ball really far with less effort. But that is because it's so easy to feel how to transfer my weight from back foot to front foot and at the right moment. It's literally second nature/mindless. The only hard thing was to learn about the lag and then how to do it. But even then, it only took a few weeks! But no matter what I practice with the Disc, it feels off all the time. I can throw basically as far standing still as I can with the slow X hammer walk up or a full on X step! Which means my weight transfer is not happening at the right time, to make my arm feel heavy and sort of lagged and like it's behind me and needs to get slung forward NOW. So I'm just feeling really lost on HOW and WHEN to get the weight moving forward and WHEN to get turned away, and WHEN to start moving my arm forward and how fast?

3. The other thing I think about often and can see happening, but can not do in person is this idea I just saw SW post again for other Ryan. He used Barry Schultz as an example? The idea of being up on your rear left foot balanced and poised to then move your weight forward hard, just like a pitcher. Pushing your weight. So coming into your x step, then being up on your rear toe, then sort of floating there and then quickly pushing/moving your plant leg forward and then planting. I try to do it, and it doesn't work. It feels more like I'm being pulled forward, not pushed forward. But put a tennis racket in my hand, and it just happens. I'm light on my feet, and the weight transfer just happens. I don't even have to think about it. And then the racket gets whipped through the ball with loads of speed. But put the disc in my hand, and this doesn't happen! Do you recommend that I just practice this X step movement of pushing my weight forward like a pitcher without throwing? Like a TON? Over and over again? Or is throwing the best way to learn it? I also had SP mention something about feeling like his shoulder is going to be able to check somebody in front of him right when he's about to throw. And that the idea is helping him gain loads of distance with less effort. So that's another thing that I'm wondering about now and haven't read before (or if I did, it was once and I already forgot).

I'm thinking a lot about HUBs super heavy rock throw drill, and how he says it really helped his mind gel with the idea of weight transfer, timing and balance. And wondering if any other people here have tried it and had great success? I don't have a huge heavy rock to throw, so I'm not going to go find one or buy one if the idea isn't really that helpful.

Thoughts on all of this? And ideas on how to improve? Thanks
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I also had SP mention something about feeling like his shoulder is going to be able to check somebody in front of him right when he's about to throw. And that the idea is helping him gain loads of distance with less effort. So that's another thing that I'm wondering about now and haven't read before (or if I did, it was once and I already forgot).
Yeah this is definitely helping me, and others had said it to me previously I just didn't "get it". I know SW says he feels like it's the back of his right shoulder.

Also it's like a series of small barriers you leverage yourself through...and each of your levers hits through the next one. Like think of a few paper thin walls in front of you like 6-12" apart. It feels like I transfer to the front leg and then body check my shoulder and upper arm through the first one...this body check brings my upper arm forward and the disc will be near my core. Then I'm kind of having my forearm sling out through the next one although I'm not thinking about my forearm's weight, it's just releasing the arm by swinging at the shoulder. At this point I'm thinking of guiding the back edge of the disc toward the target on the momentum line, so that its back edge will sling through and break through another thin wall.

Basically the slow to fast feeling to me is using my tempo or body weight shift to bring the arm/shoulder forward, getting the disc to what feels like my belly button or right hip. At this point I feel like I'm opening toward the target a bit and I can swing the disc forward away from me...like the arm motion is away and not sideways. The weight transfer is getting to the "launch position", and from here is where you swing the disc away from you. Like starting a putting motion down by your hips or CoM and pushing it away to the basket...just in this case you're swinging so the release is closed to the right instead of straight away from your core.

Keep in mind everything I described is FEEL based.

I think SW's revolving door video is a great visualization of this. He uses is weight settling to get the hand/door near his front foot, and at this point it has a little bit of momentum. He then just adds to the momentum by pushing the door away from him, which is accomplished by swinging his arm.

Basically give the arm/disc a bit of momentum by using your body weight, and once it's in position in front of you you can then swing it away.

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So some things I've been thinking about how to do, or how to do better, or just thinking about lately are the following:

1. Am I swinging my upper body and arm too fast too early in the swing? I go back and read certain posts/emails/and blog entries from HUB, and I just constantly see the message of SLOW DOWN. And then SLOW DOWN EVEN MORE. Which I understand and don't at the same time. If you watch any good player, they're not going slow. Unless it's a shorter touch shot. They may be smooth, but they definitely are going medium speed in the back swing and then FULL OUT on the throw. But I'm just wondering, should it be much slower than you think all the way until the disc is around your chest area? Or before that?
Ever seen Paul Oman? Prepare for your mind to be blown to see what's possible moving at a slow speed. So basically, yes, it's slow until the "power pocket" then explosion. The good players can bring the disc faster into their chest correctly, resulting in more redirection/force on the shot but its much harder to do.

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Hard to explain some of this stuff man.

1. From my own personal experience going from strong arming to whipping effortlessly, it feels like the first half of the forward swing is slow as molasses when you are loose, compared to pulling the disc forward with tightening muscles. It felt like I was waiting forever for my weight to shift and arm/disc loads into center and then explode out. The weird thing that sounds completely paradoxical is that when I started getting that smooth transition my backswing it felt longer and shorter at the same time, shorter reachback with the arm but longer backswing with the body turning further back.



2. I hate the word timing. It's a sequence, when your sequence is correct your timing can be variable and still smash it. Your weight shift/balance to the front leg leads the sequence to whip the arm.

3. That was Nate Doss, not Barry. Winding up like pitcher on rear leg is the mirror of One Leg Drill. It's really more about BALANCE and manipulating your CoG than weightshift. When you get One Leg Drill, then it should be easy to work your way back to the rear leg and know how you have to move to get back forward. If I can throw 400' in One Leg Drill, what does that tell you about weightshift? To me weightshift just elongates/stretches my swing from my center to accelerate longer. Am I moving fast in One Leg Drill?



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Hey, before I respond, I have a question on how to do something here on this site. HOW in the heck do you guys post youtube videos that actually show up, and put gifs in the posts that show up? I've tried doing that and it never works. If I use the link, photo, or yt buttons to put a link in, it just shows up as code or if it's a yt video, it says it doesn't work! I would really like to use gifs and videos in my posts, but can't usually figure it out. Thanks
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Hey, before I respond, I have a question on how to do something here on this site. HOW in the heck do you guys post youtube videos that actually show up, and put gifs in the posts that show up? I've tried doing that and it never works. If I use the link, photo, or yt buttons to put a link in, it just shows up as code or if it's a yt video, it says it doesn't work! I would really like to use gifs and videos in my posts, but can't usually figure it out. Thanks
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Basically for youtube you only need the part of the link after "v=" and for images/gifs you need the actual image link (ends in .jpg, .png, some picture format) inside of the img tags

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Ever seen Paul Oman? Prepare for your mind to be blown to see what's possible moving at a slow speed. So basically, yes, it's slow until the "power pocket" then explosion. The good players can bring the disc faster into their chest correctly, resulting in more redirection/force on the shot but its much harder to do.
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Hard to explain some of this stuff man.

1. From my own personal experience going from strong arming to whipping effortlessly, it feels like the first half of the forward swing is slow as molasses when you are loose, compared to pulling the disc forward with tightening muscles. It felt like I was waiting forever for my weight to shift and arm/disc loads into center and then explode out. The weird thing that sounds completely paradoxical is that when I started getting that smooth transition my backswing it felt longer and shorter at the same time, shorter reachback with the arm but longer backswing with the body turning further back.

2. I hate the word timing. It's a sequence, when your sequence is correct your timing can be variable and still smash it. Your weight shift/balance to the front leg leads the sequence to whip the arm.

3. That was Nate Doss, not Barry. Winding up like pitcher on rear leg is the mirror of One Leg Drill. It's really more about BALANCE and manipulating your CoG than weightshift. When you get One Leg Drill, then it should be easy to work your way back to the rear leg and know how you have to move to get back forward. If I can throw 400' in One Leg Drill, what does that tell you about weightshift? To me weightshift just elongates/stretches my swing from my center to accelerate longer. Am I moving fast in One Leg Drill?
Of course one of you finds a super slow throwing guy to try and prove a point, ahaha Overall though, most of the players don't throw that way. But it is interesting to see how different people can throw far with slow, medium or fast swings. Just goes to show it's not how fast your swing is, but how you strategically do specific things in the throw to make sure the disc is going super fast right before it comes out of your hand. But this and some things SW mentioned below really do prove my point of how confusing this all is to me. A majority good throwers, pro or am, don't throw slow like Oman on long throws. They really get at it on long shots.

And another example would be watching someone like Seppo or especially Paul. On slightly ďshorterĒ (for them) shots of like 250-400 some of those guys can and do look like their barely trying and just being super smooth. Like with a super slow x step walk up and barely any reach/turn back. But somehow they sling the disc out! But then you watch Simon or Eagle (and others) and they look like their trying to throw almost every disc to the moon and back. They just RIP into it! So it's SUPER confusing to me trying to learn, to know EXACTLY WHAT allows me to throw far.

Just like you mention SW, you can throw it 350-400 from a standstill doing the 1 leg drill! Doesnít make sense. And I remember the first time I watched HUBS windmill practice video and he's just casually tossing mid range discs 350-375 while up on his rear foot!!! It's absolutely ridiculous! It doesn't seem possible. I have NO IDEA how you guys are doing it! And I donít understand how Paul and others can throw a disc 250-350 with barely any reach back or forward weight transfer! If I tried to throw like this, I'd get 200-250 maybe!!!

Something like this is what Iím referring to:



1 So this first part is possibly really important, and something Iím going to mess around with. This super molasses slow first part of the swing and then exploding.

And another thing I was just thinking about while trying to fall asleep that maybe something Iím not doing or understanding is the actual hit. So Iím under the assumption from reading and watching that as the body moves forward into the actual hit, that the leg gently sets down, then your heel crushes the can and then your body just smoothly keeps moving through and the disc comes out. But when I think about a whip, you canít whip it unless you literally pump the breaks right before you want the whip toÖ well whip. So your hand would be making a pattern in the air and then WHAM, the hand stop to allow the whip to sling forward and snap! But in disc golf, it LOOKS like every single person throwing is just continuasly moving their body through the hit. But it got me thinking, in golf, tennis, hockey, baseball etc, there is a moment (some sports itís more and some less) right when you hit or throw the ball, that your body and arms and everything more or less STOPs and HITS the ball, THEN moves through after that. But there is a definite stopping of momentum for a split second to smash the ball. So baseball, Iím moving my body forward, rotating, and then my plant leg slams my momentum to a stop to leverage my arms coming through behind me and SLINGS the h*ll out of the bat into the ball smashing the heck out of it! But all that momentum is too much, so it keeps going right after I hit the ball. Same with golf and tennis. There is a moment right when you hit the ball that your boy sort of stops for a split second to pull back sort of and sling your arms into the ball to smash it.


So is that something that happens in Disc golf? Do I need to be feeling/doing that? I feel like that could be a HUGE key to throwing far with less effort as opposed to the way I do it now which is just one long continuous motion of moving through the hit.

3 See, I don't get this. I can go into a tennis backhand or a golf swing without perfect balance and absolutely CRUSH the ball. The balance just keeps me standing up, and makes the shot more repeatable or consistent. But you donít HAVE to be in balance to hit a tennis or baseball far. So I don't understand this part at all. I understand how balance can HELP the swing, and make it slightly better, but itís not the main reason one is able to smash a backhand in tennis, hit a golf ball far, or hit a HR 500í. Thereís other things going on that allow that really hard hit. Same with a baseball swing. I've seen guys with CRAZY a$$ swings almost falling over absolutely CRUSH balls 500+ feet. So when you say BALANCE is important to throwing well/far, I just don't see it or understand it. Maybe you can explain it more? Explain how and why the balance in your mind is a big reason for the distance. Because Iím just not seeing that as a major factor to distance. A factor... yes, but minor in the grand scheme of being able to throw FAR. I'd say balance is a huge part of consistency, not distance. Like if I have subpar balance, I can still hit a golf ball a mile, just not very often. Whereas with the balance, I can hit it far almost every time.

And Iíve done the one leg drill many many times and with pretty good results. Not your level, but thatís also because I canít throw well in general. If I do the one leg vs a small x step, I really donít see a huge distance gap. Itís pretty close even with my FWís. But regardless of how I throw, NOTHING feels right. I NEVER feel like the disc is ZIPPING out of my hand super hard and fast like when I hit a baseball, tennis ball or golf ball. Even just throwing a baseball, I can get whip, but not with a disc! I feel like Iím not going to get this ever. I keep going to the field, practicing, and reading non-stop, and yet barely anything changes If this keeps up for much longer, I think I'm going to have to seriously consider taking a road trip to Denver and wherever SW lives, and spend a day or two under their tutelage, haha
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Of course one of you finds a super slow throwing guy to try and prove a point, ahaha Overall though, most of the players don't throw that way. But it is interesting to see how different people can throw far with slow, medium or fast swings. Just goes to show it's not how fast your swing is, but how you strategically do specific things in the throw to make sure the disc is going super fast right before it comes out of your hand. But this and some things SW mentioned below really do prove my point of how confusing this all is to me. A majority good throwers, pro or am, don't throw slow like Oman on long throws. They really get at it on long shots.

And another example would be watching someone like Seppo or especially Paul. On slightly ďshorterĒ (for them) shots of like 250-400 some of those guys can and do look like their barely trying and just being super smooth. Like with a super slow x step walk up and barely any reach/turn back. But somehow they sling the disc out! But then you watch Simon or Eagle (and others) and they look like their trying to throw almost every disc to the moon and back. They just RIP into it! So it's SUPER confusing to me trying to learn, to know EXACTLY WHAT allows me to throw far.

Just like you mention SW, you can throw it 350-400 from a standstill doing the 1 leg drill! Doesnít make sense. And I remember the first time I watched HUBS windmill practice video and he's just casually tossing mid range discs 350-375 while up on his rear foot!!! It's absolutely ridiculous! It doesn't seem possible. I have NO IDEA how you guys are doing it! And I donít understand how Paul and others can throw a disc 250-350 with barely any reach back or forward weight transfer! If I tried to throw like this, I'd get 200-250 maybe!!!

Something like this is what Iím referring to:



1 So this first part is possibly really important, and something Iím going to mess around with. This super molasses slow first part of the swing and then exploding.

And another thing I was just thinking about while trying to fall asleep that maybe something Iím not doing or understanding is the actual hit. So Iím under the assumption from reading and watching that as the body moves forward into the actual hit, that the leg gently sets down, then your heel crushes the can and then your body just smoothly keeps moving through and the disc comes out. But when I think about a whip, you canít whip it unless you literally pump the breaks right before you want the whip toÖ well whip. So your hand would be making a pattern in the air and then WHAM, the hand stop to allow the whip to sling forward and snap! But in disc golf, it LOOKS like every single person throwing is just continuasly moving their body through the hit. But it got me thinking, in golf, tennis, hockey, baseball etc, there is a moment (some sports itís more and some less) right when you hit or throw the ball, that your body and arms and everything more or less STOPs and HITS the ball, THEN moves through after that. But there is a definite stopping of momentum for a split second to smash the ball. So baseball, Iím moving my body forward, rotating, and then my plant leg slams my momentum to a stop to leverage my arms coming through behind me and SLINGS the h*ll out of the bat into the ball smashing the heck out of it! But all that momentum is too much, so it keeps going right after I hit the ball. Same with golf and tennis. There is a moment right when you hit the ball that your boy sort of stops for a split second to pull back sort of and sling your arms into the ball to smash it.


So is that something that happens in Disc golf? Do I need to be feeling/doing that? I feel like that could be a HUGE key to throwing far with less effort as opposed to the way I do it now which is just one long continuous motion of moving through the hit.

3 See, I don't get this. I can go into a tennis backhand or a golf swing without perfect balance and absolutely CRUSH the ball. The balance just keeps me standing up, and makes the shot more repeatable or consistent. But you donít HAVE to be in balance to hit a tennis or baseball far. So I don't understand this part at all. I understand how balance can HELP the swing, and make it slightly better, but itís not the main reason one is able to smash a backhand in tennis, hit a golf ball far, or hit a HR 500í. Thereís other things going on that allow that really hard hit. Same with a baseball swing. I've seen guys with CRAZY a$$ swings almost falling over absolutely CRUSH balls 500+ feet. So when you say BALANCE is important to throwing well/far, I just don't see it or understand it. Maybe you can explain it more? Explain how and why the balance in your mind is a big reason for the distance. Because Iím just not seeing that as a major factor to distance. A factor... yes, but minor in the grand scheme of being able to throw FAR. I'd say balance is a huge part of consistency, not distance. Like if I have subpar balance, I can still hit a golf ball a mile, just not very often. Whereas with the balance, I can hit it far almost every time.

And Iíve done the one leg drill many many times and with pretty good results. Not your level, but thatís also because I canít throw well in general. If I do the one leg vs a small x step, I really donít see a huge distance gap. Itís pretty close even with my FWís. But regardless of how I throw, NOTHING feels right. I NEVER feel like the disc is ZIPPING out of my hand super hard and fast like when I hit a baseball, tennis ball or golf ball. Even just throwing a baseball, I can get whip, but not with a disc! I feel like Iím not going to get this ever. I keep going to the field, practicing, and reading non-stop, and yet barely anything changes If this keeps up for much longer, I think I'm going to have to seriously consider taking a road trip to Denver and wherever SW lives, and spend a day or two under their tutelage, haha
Yes! That's exactly right. A whip, a pendulum, ball on a string, all the same analogies to the throw. The arm isn't doing the powering, it IS the whip. Really from shoulder up to the grip should be relaxed, then all the focus is on keeping tight grip, but loose arm. Sounds weird, feels weird, but when you get it, you'll know. It will feel like your golf shots.

The difference is that in disc golf your arm is the entire club. So it's not just the weight of an external club that you are holding that is being slung, like a golf shot (not 100% true), but rather its the weight of your entire arm/disc unit that is being slung. Disc golf is arguably a more difficult swing because there's both less weight and a shorter lever that you can FEEL being swung around (one arm + 175g disc with a ~6' lever vs two arms + 300+g club with a ~6'+~3' lever) AND gravity is more parallel to the plane of the shot. Does that make sense? That's why SW22 and HUB have drills involving swinging a hammer or something heavy. Your body is perfectly made to manipulate big weights, but its harder for the brain to make that connection when there's less weight involved.

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