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Old 12-27-2018, 11:33 AM
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A couple of pictures would have clarified this rule change & avoided all this speculation.
as would appropriate verbiage- well written rules should not need a diagram to go along with them nor a q&a to explain what the committee actually intends.
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Old 12-27-2018, 12:03 PM
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The problem is they (the RC) knew what they meant and read what they wrote through that lens. Unfortunately, what they wrote does not match what they intended.
Pretty much.

The phrase "and no closer to the target" is the last vestige of a much longer definition of Stance Area. Most of the longer definition was removed, and this remaining bit was understood to be a description of the stance area - not to be applied to the obstacle. It is there to clarify that the thrower cannot move a casual obstacle solely because the casual obstacle is in the way of the follow-through.

It got through because this was supposed to be a year of only minor corrections, and therefore didn't go through all the steps that are involved with re-writes. Stay tuned for how that will be improved going forward.

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Old 12-27-2018, 12:08 PM
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as would appropriate verbiage- well written rules should not need a diagram to go along with them nor a q&a to explain what the committee actually intends.
Ideally yes, but pictures are the universal language and additionally would help to allow refinement of any confusing wording.
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Old 12-27-2018, 04:19 PM
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For the specific question, you will be able to move objects even if part of them extends in front of the rear of the marker disc. There is discussion about how or whether to change the rule. One solution may be to remove the words "and no closer to the target." Another would be to define stance area.

The board has final say on rules; it's not something any one person can decide on their own.

Any more emails about the same topic would be handled by the same people that need to work on the fix.
Defining the stance area wouldn't help with this confusion, would it?
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Old 12-27-2018, 04:49 PM
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This was supposed to be just minor tweaks. Most just clarified the understanding of the rules. Adding in new technical terms like "stance area" probably crosses the threshold and IMO is not minor.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:11 AM
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It got through because this was supposed to be a year of only minor corrections, and therefore didn't go through all the steps that are involved with re-writes. Stay tuned for how that will be improved going forward.
If how that will be improved is any less than treating "minor corrections" the same as full re-writes, I know I'll be extremely disappointed. Of course, the full re-write process could probably use some improvements as well, but one problem at a time.
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Old 12-31-2018, 10:45 PM
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If a small log Is right behind and ahead of my disc I cannot move it? Say 18 inches 1 inch dia round
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If a small log Is right behind and ahead of my disc I cannot move it? Say 18 inches 1 inch dia round
If some portion of it is behind the marker and in the stance area, of course it can be moved.
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Old 01-01-2019, 06:24 AM
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If a small log Is right behind and ahead of my disc I cannot move it? Say 18 inches 1 inch dia round
If there is a fallen redwood with a few twigs on the lie and the rest of the tree extending in front of it and you are capable of moving it you are free to do so.
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If a small log Is right behind and ahead of my disc I cannot move it? Say 18 inches 1 inch dia round
You could yesterday.

The way the new rule is worded, the way I read the new rule as worded, you can't today.

Except that there is good evidence that this is not the Rule Committee's intent, and they will fix it. (In addition to what others have offered on this thread, I also have it on good authority).

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