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Old 11-12-2019, 10:19 AM
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I am not looking to get a hotel for multiple nights of an event. It is already hard enough to break even at an event, especially with the higher cost of an A tier. I can find somewhere to crash for a night, but I would much rather play 2 rounds Saturday and one Sunday than one each day over three days.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:36 AM
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I'm collecting data for an upcoming A-Tier and would like the format to be as player-oriented as possible so we can plan within the preferences of our target audience. If you do not play sanctioned events, feel free to provide your reason(s) why.

Specifically:

1. Would you prefer to play 3 rounds (Fri, Sat, Sun) or 4 (Fri, Sat 1, Sat 2, Sun)

2. Would you prefer to play 1 course, 2 courses, or a new course each round?

3. How far are you willing to travel for an event?

4. What would entice you to put an event (outside your home town) on your calendar?

5. What (specific) types of items do you like to see in player's packs?

6. Based on the events you've attended, what makes them memorable (good or bad)?

Thanks in advance for your input!
1. If the time is limited to a weekend, then 3 rounds over 3 days. If it can stretch from Thursday to Sunday, then 4 rounds over 4 days. I prefer one round a day if possible.

2. Depends on the courses and how much of a hassle it will be to drive to them, respectively. For example, three courses in Emporia, KS is not that big an ask. I'm fine with playing three different courses there. On the other hand, three courses in Peoria, IL is a bigger ask. Or three courses in Johnson City, TN, etc. The proximity is going to be a factor for me. In general, however, I would like to play more than one course. It adds balance, especially when the courses have different demands on one's ability.

3. I am willing to pay to fly, if the event is worth it. In general, my limit is usually no more than 6-8 hours of drive time.

4. Payout, significant attendance by female players, if the courses are fun or aesthetically pleasing.

5. As a sponsored player, something that doesn't have sponsor branding. I understand that having a manufacturer put their name on a water bottle or jacket, or whatever, makes it cheaper to acquire, but it somewhat eliminates the utility of it to me. Maybe I can cover a bottle with a sticker, but I can't do much about a raincoat with a huge logo on the back of it. As an example, I have received three premium Hydroflask or Tempercraft water bottles over the past three years. Only one of them I can use without putting stickers on it. You asked for specifics - so if you're giving pro players something, I would prefer something I would not get at a B-Tier or C-Tier. I do not need discs, even with an event stamp. I do not need tee shirts, even with an event stamp. I certainly don't need any more minis.

6. Bathroom availability is a big thing for female players. It's a poor look for your event if you expect anyone to just go into the woods and deal with it. Availability of water on the course is another, especially if your event is held during the most oppressive part of summer. What is the state of the course? Is the grass unreasonably high and should have been mown and is not? Is it covered with broken beer bottles? Is your OB clearly marked and clearly understood. For example, if you say the road is OB, do you mean specifically the concrete? The gravel nearby? Am I reasonably going to have to expect to play provisionals? Did you put paint down, or rope? Is the wording of the specific rules on the hole clear enough that the card isn't going to question them in the middle of the round? If I'm throwing completely blind off the tee, are you providing spotters, especially if the risk of losing a disc in tall grass is a factor? Most of what I'm going to take away from an event is how well things like this are organized and managed, and this will be the biggest factor in whether or not I come back to play the event again.


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Old 11-12-2019, 10:39 AM
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1. Would you prefer to play 3 rounds (Fri, Sat, Sun) or 4 (Fri, Sat 1, Sat 2, Sun)

Same overall time commitment, doesn't matter.

2. Would you prefer to play 1 course, 2 courses, or a new course each round?

Doesn't matter. But 1 course per 90 players seems to be a good rule to help with flow.

3. How far are you willing to travel for an event?

By car, 100 miles. Plane no limit.

4. What would entice you to put an event (outside your home town) on your calendar?

If it's AM tournament, really nice trophies and divisions by ratings.

5. What (specific) types of items do you like to see in player's packs?

Nothing, I'd rather opt out and get a discount on entry fees.

6. Based on the events you've attended, what makes them memorable (good or bad)?

Overall tournament flow can make or break a tournament. When a TD takes the time to provide print outs of rules, distances, etc, that's a very good thing. Not a fan of the TD clearing out his stock by making you buy his stock with your merch winnings. I'd rather opt out of merch for a discount on entry fees. Also not a fan of the "printed flyer in a frame" trophy.

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Old 11-12-2019, 11:17 AM
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I'm collecting data for an upcoming A-Tier and would like the format to be as player-oriented as possible so we can plan within the preferences of our target audience. If you do not play sanctioned events, feel free to provide your reason(s) why.

Specifically:

1. Would you prefer to play 3 rounds (Fri, Sat, Sun) or 4 (Fri, Sat 1, Sat 2, Sun)

I would prefer 4 courses. But, I am in pretty decent physical shape, so I have no problems playing 3 for an A Tier. Open players could play 4 and Am's could play 3 and maybe there could be a decent size gallery for that final round. Just kind of depends on a few things such as logistics for what courses the other Am's are playing.

2. Would you prefer to play 1 course, 2 courses, or a new course each round?

Well, I happen to know what tournament you are talking about. And St. Louis has a plethora of good courses to where you could rotate courses, or use 2 and 2 or different ones Friday, and Saturday, and maybe using the same course twice Sunday. But I am not against showcasing the different courses this area has to offer. Even adding a course such as Woodland Chains to the mix which is located JUST across the river into Illinois might not be such a bad thing. Plus that course has 3 sets of tee pads and 2 pin locations. Blue tee boxes at that course could be a nice course for MA2-Open players depending on the pin locations. And the red tee pads would make a great option for MA 3 and MA 4. Even a shorter courses like Hudson or White Birch could cater to any seasoned veteran players interested in attending.

3. How far are you willing to travel for an event?

About 4-6 hours. Really just depends on the event. Luckily, this particular event is in my hometown.

4. What would entice you to put an event (outside your home town) on your calendar?

The 'prestige' of the event and the amount of participants. Which anymore, seems to go hand in hand.

5. What (specific) types of items do you like to see in player's packs?

I'm all about a nice dri fit T shirt, although I know others will disagree. Gateway is close, so having those guys do a commemorative disc of some sort is always nice. Someone I played in an event with this year mentioned that they received those little bottle/water spray fans in as part of a players pack. I'm not sure on the prices of those but I thought that was a unique idea. Always a fan of a nice umbrella as well.

6. Based on the events you've attended, what makes them memorable (good or bad)?

The courses for one. And the other participants for 2. The last StL Open I played in (well every one I have played in), I enjoyed all 3 of my rounds. I had the same playing partner for 3 of those rounds this year and we got along really well. The tournament director also has a lasting impression for me. Hammering out the finer details to keep drama to a a minimum is crucial. And having things like a nice raffle and having decent merch for the am's is always nice. Having been an StL disc golfer for quite some time, I can vouch that the merch that the St. Louis Disc Golf Club has to offer is solid. I'm not sure of all of the parties involved in the merch side of our club, but I do know that a Mr. Bob Waidmann does an absolutely fantastic job with club merchandise.

Thanks in advance for your input!
The St. Louis Open in 2019 I think tied for the largest St. Louis Open that we have had in 11 years of running the event. Things have changed from an organizational stand point here in St. Louis and I for one, would love to see more people check out not only an amazing city, awesome disc golf courses, but also be a part of one of the most fun, most enjoyable people that disc golf has to offer. If you can fit the St. Louis Open into your schedule this upcoming season, I highly recommend it!

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Old 11-12-2019, 11:44 AM
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For full transparency, this thread is dedicated to making the 15th annual St. Louis Open the best yet.

Our 2019 TDs did an amazing job, hosting 215 registrants. This year, I am hoping we can grow even bigger! Our dates are June 19-21, but as you can see, we've already invested quite a bit of time and effort into planning.


A couple things to note:

- The STLDGC performed a post-event survey for all 2019 attendees and got some great feedback. So, we're incorporating much of that in our 2020 planning.
- Included in that feedback was the desire for a player's party/FlyMart, so our host location will put on such an event with beer (see below), games, food trucks, and vendors - this should help keep the awards ceremony (on Sunday) focused and efficient.
- The St.Louis club recently signed a sponsorship agreement with Schlafly Bottleworks. So, we'll have kegs of craft beer on hand for the party and awards ceremony.

Please continue to provide any feedback that we can take into our planning meetings to help make this event the best it can be.
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:19 PM
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As an MA60 who actually did travel to play last year, part of the appeal was to play multiple courses. So don't put us on the same ones we played this year.

If there are to be two rounds in one day, they'd better be at the same course with lunch provided or really convenient. (And not at one of those way out of town).

There is nothing I would rather have in a player's pack than NOTHING. I don't need coupons forced on me. No one should ever give out stickers (which mostly get attached to baskets). I won't wear that shirt. I don't throw max weight anything. Not everyone drinks alcohol (well, not everyone who lives elsewhere than STL). I won't drive to a local shop to cash in any sized voucher, or worse, pay shipping for my "paid for" discs.

Maybe you could raise funds to replace some of those old baskets and call my "donation" to that fund the player's pack.

If someone wants to foist ads, souvenirs, trophies, or coupons on me, the only tolerable medium would be to print them on minis.
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:31 PM
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There is nothing I would rather have in a player's pack than NOTHING.
I pretty much agree with this but the PDGA will not allow it.

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Old 11-12-2019, 01:36 PM
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I certainly don't need any more minis.
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If someone wants to foist ads, souvenirs, trophies, or coupons on me, the only tolerable medium would be to print them on minis.
Why do I get the feeling we're not going to please everyone? lol
Thanks again for the feedback gang. Keep it coming.

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Old 11-12-2019, 02:00 PM
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Why do I get the feeling we're not going to please everyone? lol
Thanks again for the feedback gang. Keep it coming.
Do keep that in mind. It'll help keep your sanity.

You seem to have made enough people happy in the past to have had good turnout.

It's a lot easier to screw up a good tournament, than make it better. Once you've got good courses and a good field of players, most of what you can do to improve it are nice, but don't move the needle a great deal. On the other hand, if it doesn't run smoothly or something goes amiss---bathrooms locked, lunch promised but doesn't arrive, etc.---it'll sink the experience.

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I'm collecting data for an upcoming A-Tier and would like the format to be as player-oriented as possible so we can plan within the preferences of our target audience. If you do not play sanctioned events, feel free to provide your reason(s) why.

Specifically:

1. Would you prefer to play 3 rounds (Fri, Sat, Sun) or 4 (Fri, Sat 1, Sat 2, Sun)
2 Saturday, 1 or 2 Sunday

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2. Would you prefer to play 1 course, 2 courses, or a new course each round?
More courses preferred, unless they are complete crap.

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3. How far are you willing to travel for an event?
4-5 hours? Maybe more depending on the courses and event reputation.

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4. What would entice you to put an event (outside your home town) on your calendar?
See #3

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5. What (specific) types of items do you like to see in player's packs?
Vouchers. Don't give me things I don't want/will never use. The local head shop gave me a bunch of smoking accessories. I have/will never smoked in my life.

Note: You don't know what people want or need. Let them shop for it.

-edit- Have your vendor on site. I echo what was said earlier about driving somewhere else to cash out or paying to have it shipped.

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6. Based on the events you've attended, what makes them memorable (good or bad)?

Thanks in advance for your input!
Smoothly run, great courses.

Don't hold all the divisions hostage for payouts. If the Am60s are still on the course, go ahead and pay out Rec if they're all in the clubhouse.

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