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Old 05-08-2017, 06:18 AM
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has anyone thrown the sp
No, but I'm curious as well. I throw the Undertow in both p-line and sp and I find the sp just a touch less understable and just as long. The sp will come back from turn a hair quicker and finish with a bit more late fade. I would hope for similar flight from the sail, just longer. I may have to pick one up to try out.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:29 PM
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No, but I'm curious as well. I throw the Undertow in both p-line and sp and I find the sp just a touch less understable and just as long. The sp will come back from turn a hair quicker and finish with a bit more late fade. I would hope for similar flight from the sail, just longer. I may have to pick one up to try out.
Really depends on how much snap you generate. Never thrown the Sail myself, but from the people I've seen, SP is most popular because it isn't as understable. But it is still very understable with little to no sign of coming back once it turns.
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Old 05-08-2017, 11:30 PM
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I've only field thrown the PL Sail a couple of times, but my friend loved his for turnovers until he lost it. After watching him hit almost right angle turning lines and keep it flat all the way to the ground on powered down hyzer flips, I grabbed a SP Sail when they became available.

I wasn't really sure if I would bag it, but after taking it to a tight wooded course with several right turning holes, I was pleasantly surprised with how easy it was to hit the same lines I was struggling to consistently pull off with more neutral discs. Effortless turn and lots of glide, even in SP plastic. SP might have a tiny bit less turn and a touch more LSS, but basically a new PL flight.

For me, it's shorter and slower than the Undertow. I also agree with the rim width determining speed, so I consider the Undertow 11/4/-2/1 and the Sail 9/5/-3/0
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Old 05-08-2017, 11:50 PM
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Just to clarify:
PL Undertow 11/4/-2/1
SP Undertow 11/4/-1/1
PL Sail 9/5/-4/0
SP Sail 9/5/-3/0
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How does the Sail compare to the MVP Orbital?
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Just to clarify:
PL Undertow 11/4/-2/1
SP Undertow 11/4/-1/1
PL Sail 9/5/-4/0
SP Sail 9/5/-3/0
I think you might have the two molds flip flopped. The Sail is slightly faster than the Undertow.

From DGA's page...
Sail 11/5/-5/1
Undertow 10/4/-1/1
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:57 AM
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One thing I'm curious about is trying to reconcile the 11 speed with the 1.9cm rim. I usually think of a 1.9 cm rim of around speed 9.
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For me, it's shorter and slower than the Undertow. I also agree with the rim width determining speed, so I consider the Undertow 11/4/-2/1 and the Sail 9/5/-3/0
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I think you might have the two molds flip flopped. The Sail is slightly faster than the Undertow.

From DGA's page...
Sail 11/5/-5/1
Undertow 10/4/-1/1
I disagree with the posted numbers, and agree with Slinger. I think the Undertow's 2.1 rim should be categorized at speed 11, and the Sail's 1.9 should be speed 9. I'm willing to concede -4 turn tho. I backed it down to -3 due to the slower speed, and the thought that the glide might be what encourages the turn.

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Old 07-26-2017, 04:54 PM
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How does it compare to an Avenger SS?

I used to throw the Avenger SS for a nice long turning shot

Wondering the Sail is similar
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:32 AM
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Sail was the one disc that I learned how to throw rollers with, super flippy in my experience.

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A few questions:
Does the very high glide rating make the Sail curl out early on a roller?
How dumpy is the fade?
Which is firmer, Proline or SP?
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