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Old 12-10-2017, 09:09 PM
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just saying that there's no need for a Valk3 when there are Star Valks out there that are very flat, and you should be able to find them at PIASs and such places.

New Valks are like Speed 10s? Hmmm, that's interesting... Filing that Beast-L gap, one wonders? Now I'm all curious and my wallet is getting mad...
Not even just Star Valks. I have a Champion Valkyrie that is flat and overstable. It's about two ticks more overstable than any other Valkyrie I've ever seen. I honestly kind of wish they would make a new mold that was always like this, because it's the best forehand disc I have, and I'm scared to death of losing this one.
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:10 PM
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Point being: every plastic WILL have variance in how they mold up. The fact that these TL3s aren't that flat on top lends credence to the fact that **** comes out differently all the time. They made flat discs long before they stamped a 3 on it. There is no conspiracy.
I agree; it's not really a conspiracy. Go back and read my comment in the context of the latest set of messages in the thread, and you'll see what I'm saying.
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:16 PM
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Go back and read my comment.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:54 PM
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just saying that there's no need for a Valk3 when there are Star Valks out there that are very flat, and you should be able to find them at PIASs and such places.

New Valks are like Speed 10s? Hmmm, that's interesting... Filing that Beast-L gap, one wonders? Now I'm all curious and my wallet is getting mad...
Thank you, No more like a 9.5 almost speed 10 kind of where an Discraft Avenger lands speed wise. The new Valkyrie are like the same disc you can throw long low and flat just a hair faster if you get a low dome one, I may have had an old Champion L version of a Valkyrie back in the day in 2006-2017. My Star one from 2008 still in the bag is not as worn down as my old 2006 Champion one but is still less then my New Champion Glow one from August 2017. Sorry to take over the channel with Valkyrie talk.
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Old 12-10-2017, 11:56 PM
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Not even just Star Valks. I have a Champion Valkyrie that is flat and overstable. It's about two ticks more overstable than any other Valkyrie I've ever seen. I honestly kind of wish they would make a new mold that was always like this, because it's the best forehand disc I have, and I'm scared to death of losing this one.
Mine is like that if you get the Champion glow plastic type has something to do with that but still not as stable as the Star versions, most of them.
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Old 12-11-2017, 12:07 AM
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I am not going to say y'all are wrong about this. I eyeballed my GStar TL, GStar TL3 that I got from the Proshop a good while ago, Star TLs, and Star TL3. The GStar TL is very domey. The Star TLs are like Archangel tops.

My GStar TL3 is definitely flat topped after a rise from the rim edge. The Star TL3 does look more like a less domey TL; neither of my Star TL3 discs have any flatness on top.

If the Star TL3 flies well, and does what I hope and expect, it ain't gonna matter; I'll use it.

P.S. My two Shark3s are definitely flat-topped, as in intentionally so. So I'm not sure they are a bad mold-up that was foisted upon us.
No I am saying that Innova is trying to get more money from Customers by selling the Champion Shark as a 3 now as the Star and G Star versions are domey. Look at an old Pro Shark, I got one in 2014 last of the old type Pro at my Walmart still made until that year some time and the Pro Shark is flatter almost a 3 type mold but not quite it has some low dome to it. Champion Shark made in the 2000's was nearly a 3 mold I think that was due to how the plastic was molding up at the time. So now the Shark 3 is made as a Shark 3 on purpose but in Champion as it molds more to the old Champion Sharks but they made the new Shark 3 flat on purpose. I am surprised that Innova did not have to make a new mold for these discs, I thought they did at one point.
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Old 12-12-2017, 05:57 PM
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Ok, I never tried the gstar TL3 but the star falls dead center b/t the star TL & star TB. I had no hint of the TL3 turning over outside of a head wind and I did have some good wind to test it. I release all out in the high 50's mph and it took a 12-15 mph head wind to turn it to any noticable degree so if you have a 70+ mph release, you might want to back off this thing. That is, unless your attempting a big turn over line.
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:10 PM
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Ok, I never tried the gstar TL3 but the star falls dead center b/t the star TL & star TB. I had no hint of the TL3 turning over outside of a head wind and I did have some good wind to test it. I release all out in the high 50's mph and it took a 12-15 mph head wind to turn it to any noticable degree so if you have a 70+ mph release, you might want to back off this thing. That is, unless your attempting a big turn over line.
That sounds great. Does it have some glide or is it pretty power hungry?
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:22 PM
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Powdered down (45? mph) on a flex line gets pretty equal movement on both sides of center with a landing zone around 300' as the crow files. Personally, I couldn't get it past 360' without a left to right cross wind which pretty much kept it on a near rope line another 20' due to more forward fade.

B/T a star TL & TB should tell you just about everything if you've thrown both.

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Old 12-12-2017, 11:53 PM
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I was just wondering because of the "3" treatment top if they lacked any glide. If you're getting them out 350'ish at your release speed then that sounds good to me.
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