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Old 06-04-2014, 12:44 AM
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Straight, straight, straight. Perfect for the push putt. It's stiffer than the P&A I tried, yet grips the chains nicely.

But don't take my word for it. Let the 2013 USDGC champion describe it at 55 seconds into this video.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:49 AM
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I've wondered this same thing.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:55 AM
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I really don't get it. If these discs fly like they are being described, why would anybody buy a P&A? If you want a softer putter with fade, get a JK and call it a day.
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:23 AM
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I really don't get it. If these discs fly like they are being described, why would anybody buy a P&A? If you want a softer putter with fade, get a JK and call it a day.
what
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Old 06-11-2014, 04:11 AM
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i have two grid aviars that are very stiff, but both have big beads.
san marino mint, never threw em so i can't comment on flight. but some do have beads and others do not.
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:12 AM
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I was using a classic Aviar for a few months til the Nova kicked it out of my bag. Good HSS, not a lot of fade, does elevator/air bounce shots very well an holds hyzers and anhyzers very well.

I don't the beadless/glidey discs for putting though.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:34 AM
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I've thrown both extensively. New and old.

I'm not sure if it's a mental thing but I think that the Classic's are just a tick shallower. Every P&A that I've picked up has felt just a tad deeper which keeps me going back to the Classics.
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:58 PM
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I really don't get it. If these discs fly like they are being described, why would anybody buy a P&A? If you want a softer putter with fade, get a JK and call it a day.
Innova has had the Aviar naming scheme screwed up for so long....

All the base plastic aviars available today i'm pretty sure are exactly the same, just different stamps. Used to, the putt and approach stamp was for the small bead and the classic grid stamp for beadless. JK and KC for people that wanted the big bead blunt nose. Even the dx big beads that I see today are the aviar-x nose.

So TLDR: There is only the big bead aviar-x mold and the classic no bead mold in current production. As far as I can tell the different stamps are there to confuse the crap out of people. Just like the EL, SL, FL and.... maybe Innova just likes confusing people
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:57 PM
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i have two grid aviars that are very stiff, but both have big beads.
san marino mint, never threw em so i can't comment on flight. but some do have beads and others do not.
What you have are 90's big bead Aviars. They have the grid stamp so they can be confused as a "Classic Aviar." They are not.

Actually they are a "classic" Aviar. Just not a "Classic Aviar."

Anyway, the old 90's big bead grid stamps are still what I throw, so I really don't have a dog in this hunt until I run out of them.

I just don't get having a Classic Aviar, then an Aviar P&A, then a Yeti Pro Aviar when they are all so close to each other. People are buying them, so whatever.
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Here are some comparisons of the current runs of the Avair P&a and the Grid Stamp Avair:

I have only been playing for a short while and I am not versed in all things Avair history.

The Avair P&A has a lower shoulder with a flatter top than the Grid Avair.

The Grid Avair has a slight upward flight plate. Just a little rise not domey.

The PLH on the P&A is just slightly higher than the Grid Avair.

The wing or edge of the disc (where it fits the hand) has an angled edge like a Mako, Skeeter, or Dart.

While the Grid Avair has a slight bevel/curve on its edge.

Plastic wise the Avair P&A feels like DX plastic that is moderately firm but, not overly stiff.

The Grid Avair is a very firm feeling plastic, the flight plate is more solid. This disc doesn't give too easily when it is flexed from the edge to edge like a taco.

I will try to snap some profile pics and post them tomorrow. Hope this helps.

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