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Old 04-04-2016, 10:32 PM
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The shark3 and roc3 are nothing alike. They fly differently and the wing shapes are completely different. The only thing they have in common is that they are both 3 series midranges.

Shark3s do make a good "OS Roc3" If you don't want to dig thru roc3s looking for that OS freak. But they don't feel remotely similar in the hand.
Because one is beaded and the other is not, they of course don't feel the same. But IMHO they do feel very similar otherwise, and IMHO *are* very similar except for said bead. I stand by my opinion that the Shark3 is a beadless Roc3.

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I really dig the mcpro roc3s tho. They absolutely bomb, I've been throwing mine TOO far from time to time lately. I get a solid 30-50 feet average more distance out of the McPros then my old Rancho KC's. Usually thsts a good thing, but I have been overthrowing holes every once in a while.
On the McPro Roc3s, we agree. And I'd love to see some other discs come out in McPro plastic as well.
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:40 PM
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Because one is beaded and the other is not, they of course don't feel the same. But IMHO they do feel very similar otherwise, and IMHO *are* very similar except for said bead. I stand by my opinion that the Shark3 is a beadless Roc3.
The wings aren't even the same shape even ignoring the bead or lack thereof. The shark/shark3 has a very noticible notch in the wing that most mids, rocs included, do not. Seriously. Look at them. The wing shapes are completely different. You can "stand by your opinion"all you want but that doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:39 AM
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The wings aren't even the same shape even ignoring the bead or lack thereof. The shark/shark3 has a very noticible notch in the wing that most mids, rocs included, do not. Seriously. Look at them. The wing shapes are completely different. You can "stand by your opinion"all you want but that doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:54 AM
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Since the Roc3 has it's own thread now I feel like I can post this question, been thinking about it for a long time.

As someone who has historically liked slower mids, what would make the Roc3 a disc to consider throwing?

I've almost always bagged rocs/comets. I've tried faster stuff like buzzes, vectors, and md2s but like the feel of a slower, more workable beaded midrange. I've never even held, let alone thrown a Roc3, but if you compare it to a Roc, that's some terms I can understand.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:21 AM
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Yeah Shark 3s are definitely more OS then Roc 3s. You wouldn't think it true by the numbers, but in general in the 3 line the shark is more OS. I have thrown and own quite a few Roc 3s. In my search I have only found one red domey 3X champ Roc3 that flies as the numbers would imply. It hasn't left my bag since.
This has been my experience as well. Which works for me since I don't have a ton of power. If I had to put numbers on a Roc3, it would be closer to a 0/2 instead of a 0/3
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:49 AM
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Since the Roc3 has it's own thread now I feel like I can post this question, been thinking about it for a long time.

As someone who has historically liked slower mids, what would make the Roc3 a disc to consider throwing?

I've almost always bagged rocs/comets. I've tried faster stuff like buzzes, vectors, and md2s but like the feel of a slower, more workable beaded midrange. I've never even held, let alone thrown a Roc3, but if you compare it to a Roc, that's some terms I can understand.
I too prefer slower mids, currently bag a Suspect, KC Roc, DX Roc and a Comet. I think they're a bit more predictable for my game.

I also own and practice with 3 Roc-3's, a Champ, DX and a G* (the G* has been the most stable, don't know if I got a fluke G* though). My opinion is they need a little more power to fly as consistently as a Rancho. Powered down they're not as predictable, not bad mind you, just not as consistent. For me, where a Roc3 shines is a full power tunnel shot where distance is important or a longer hyzer shot. I also seem to be able to forehand them better for some reason.

Even with that, I don't bag them. Same reason I no longer bag a Truth, powered down it dumps and on a full throw I never know if it's going to go 30ft longer than I want.

It's a good disc and worth trying, you might find a spot for it.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:55 AM
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I keep reading all this feedback, and its not news to me, that the Shark3 is more OS than the Roc3. I dont know if its me or not, but I have a Shark3 and a few Roc3s, and I cant tell the difference between them in terms of flight comparison. The roc3 seemed to move EVER so slightly more left in its fade. But IME, theres not way or reason that I would ever need or want to bag both.

Now this bard you say... Roc3 with a Justice feel? Intriguing to say the least. I love the mids from WS and DD but have not yet thrown anything to jeopardize my roc3. Im not sure I want to either. They're money for me. And this is where I stop myself from buying more plastic simply just to try and throw off my whole bag lol
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:15 AM
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This has been my experience as well. Which works for me since I don't have a ton of power. If I had to put numbers on a Roc3, it would be closer to a 0/2 instead of a 0/3
Roc3 is listed as 5,4,0,3 and Shark3 as 5,4,0,2. I'd say the Roc3 is 5,4,0,1 to 5,4,0,1.5 and the Shark 5,4,0,2 to 5,4,0,2.5.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:19 AM
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Roc3 is listed as 5,4,0,3 and Shark3 as 5,4,0,2. I'd say the Roc3 is 5,4,0,1 to 5,4,0,1.5 and the Shark 5,4,0,2 to 5,4,0,2.5.
Obviously a case of "YMMV" or "IME", but I disagree on those Roc3 numbers. My 1x is pretty beat so I cant speak to that one, but my 2x and 3x are easily a 5/4/0/2. Not saying they should be a 3, but (IME) they're pretty damn close. The Shark3 I have, I would say is identical. I seem to be the short straw on this stance among Roc3 throwers though.
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Roc3 is listed as 5,4,0,3 and Shark3 as 5,4,0,2. I'd say the Roc3 is 5,4,0,1 to 5,4,0,1.5 and the Shark 5,4,0,2 to 5,4,0,2.5.
So what exactly does a fade of 2.5 look like?
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