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Old 04-01-2011, 10:18 PM
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2 midrange molds is more of a 2nd or 3rd stage bag addition
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:04 AM
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:04 AM
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I'll concede that there are advantages with going less overstable with the putters and mids than the ones I suggested. It's why I made sure to make those articles "required reading." My approach is a bit more "hard core" than some, but my thought is that it will take a while to get a lot of the technique stuff anyway and that time can be spent beating the discs in. By the time you're getting good at controlling release angle and have any idea of how to eliminate/control OAT your discs will be a bit beat up and neutral. I also think that learning to play the fade is important. Fade is your friend if you know how to deal with it properly.

I honestly doubt it will make a big difference either way, but pointing out the differences and philosophies of why you might pick one over the other is an excellent addition to this thread and method.

I'm standing by my one putter and one mid rule, though. Doing more with fewer discs is the most important thing building your bag this way will teach. We're just nit picking on which ones to pick. The beauty is that if you do it all right, it won't matter which ones you picked.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:31 PM
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Is a putter always a putter or just the name it was given?

I generally only want to putt with a single putter but am carrying another for driving and approaches. found out pretty quick that no matter where I place that on the upshot, I don't want to putt with it because just the difference in carry affected how high/low I would pitch at the basket.
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Is a putter always a putter or just the name it was given?

I generally only want to putt with a single putter but am carrying another for driving and approaches. found out pretty quick that no matter where I place that on the upshot, I don't want to putt with it because just the difference in carry affected how high/low I would pitch at the basket.
putter is a putter is a putter at 10', but at 20'+ is were you notice difference, which also depends on personal style.
it is very common in advanced bags to have 2-3 putters for varying uses. but in a stage 1 or 2 bag its not necessary or very good for skill building.
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I'll concede that there are advantages with going less overstable with the putters and mids than the ones I suggested. It's why I made sure to make those articles "required reading." My approach is a bit more "hard core" than some, but my thought is that it will take a while to get a lot of the technique stuff anyway and that time can be spent beating the discs in. By the time you're getting good at controlling release angle and have any idea of how to eliminate/control OAT your discs will be a bit beat up and neutral. I also think that learning to play the fade is important. Fade is your friend if you know how to deal with it properly.

I honestly doubt it will make a big difference either way, but pointing out the differences and philosophies of why you might pick one over the other is an excellent addition to this thread and method.

I'm standing by my one putter and one mid rule, though. Doing more with fewer discs is the most important thing building your bag this way will teach. We're just nit picking on which ones to pick. The beauty is that if you do it all right, it won't matter which ones you picked.
These are some great thoughts in addition to your original post! I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just curious. Since I pretty much had to relearn everything I ever knew about disc golf last year, much of the challenges of initial disc selection are still fresh in my mind.

I really like your explanation behind the choice of a more stable mid. However, if most new players are anything like me when I started, there is a good chance they will lose their mid before they sufficiently beat it in unless they play a very safe course. In fact, one of my biggest challenges early on was learning a disc and then losing it.

Again, I completely agree with everything you said. I just know that things seldom work the way we intend in this very imperfect world.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:48 AM
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I really like your explanation behind the choice of a more stable mid. However, if most new players are anything like me when I started, there is a good chance they will lose their mid before they sufficiently beat it in unless they play a very safe course. In fact, one of my biggest challenges early on was learning a disc and then losing it.
That is a great point, and also a really good argument for buying baseline plastic, which is, IMO, more important than which slightly overstable to neutral mid you pick.

I found that I lost more discs after I learned to throw farther. It doesn't matter how inaccurate you are at 200', the discs just can't get that far away from you. It wasn't until I was at 320' or so before I really started to lose them.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:53 AM
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lol I just said to my one buddy the other day when I drove the 346' hole and he was commenting on it; (I know, not a big deal to some people, but for me and who I normally disc with, that's pretty far) and I told him that it just means when I have my wild throws that the disc will be even harder to find as I am able to throw deeper into woods.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:23 AM
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That is a great point, and also a really good argument for buying baseline plastic, which is, IMO, more important than which slightly overstable to neutral mid you pick.

I found that I lost more discs after I learned to throw farther. It doesn't matter how inaccurate you are at 200', the discs just can't get that far away from you. It wasn't until I was at 320' or so before I really started to lose them.
I want to stress here the importance of baseline plastics as well. A 165-170g ProD or X Buzzz would be fine for someone to start off with. If you take the DGR views to heart the baseline plastics will more naturally teach you certain things better without you even knowing it. I can't tell you how much my form and game have improved by getting rid of Star, Champ, and Z plastics.

Lets take a look at weight for a second. I don't want it to be a big topic but I think that people should consider starting lower than 175g on any disc they buy. Not that they should go right to 150 class but you will have an easier time transitioning from strong arming to "smothing" the disc with lighter ones. There are other reasons but I don't want this to be an argumentative point but just a mindset that we should consider advising.

I personally though want to push for an understable/stable mid such as an X Comet. The reason being that as a person learns Comets will tell them more about their form than anything else. Hyzer angle, snap, oat, nose angle, arm speed and subtle settings of motion in your timing. This isn't a I'm a fan of this disc so I push it thing it is a I have seen the benefits because I took the advice of others who have seen the benefits. So I highly encourage an X (not Z) Comet and would ask for a reconsideration of it.

(p.s. I think it could be good to advise an understable mid like a comet or wolf to start out with and then after a couple of weeks go pick up a Roc, Buzzz, Shark, whatever.)
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Lets take a look at weight for a second. I don't want it to be a big topic but I think that people should consider starting lower than 175g on any disc they buy. Not that they should go right to 150 class but you will have an easier time transitioning from strong arming to "smothing" the disc with lighter ones. There are other reasons but I don't want this to be an argumentative point but just a mindset that we should consider advising.
weight is VERY important for a few discs. drivers should be light to start off (150g is ok but as long as you dont get into the 170s youll be fine). mids and putters i do not agree with 150g class for most players, main reason is that mids and putters are much more sensitive in the wind then their heavier counterparts. i dont think they should go max weight but around the 170 area would probably be best, makes the disc much more workable

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NO, that defeats the point of building youre bag along with your game/skill set. advancing that fast will only hurt yourself.
understable mids like the ones you suggest will not be beneficial to a newer player. this is a first driver mentality, they should be more understable. the mids and putters should be stable to slighlty overstable, they are much more useful and will improve form better than an understable version.
understable mids will produce one MAJOR bad habit, and thats heavy hyzer angle release. i know a few people with this problem (they will not listen to me or the several local pros...). stable mids will develop flat smooth release and help players to learn how angle can change the flight. understable mids are limited in the variety of shots they can accomplish were as stable mids have almost no limits.
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