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Old 07-22-2017, 05:30 PM
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That was one of the "old mold" problems. They were designed for DX/Tourney Pro-ish plastic that shrinks; once they ran them in Champ and Z the dense plastic packed out so they had blunter noses. Blunt nose=hard fade. Discs like the XS took on differnt flight from X plastic (which is really close to Elite Pro) to Z plastic.

Last years AR disc was a straight-up replacement for the Stratus because the Stratus was and old Tourney Pro disc they couldn't run in Z or ESP. They might be ready to chuck all of those old molds and update the lineup.
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Old 07-22-2017, 08:08 PM
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You are a fountain of old school disc knowledge.
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:45 AM
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As a 64-yr-old geezer who used to throw the XL and XS a lot back in the day, this talk is pretty exciting!

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Old 07-23-2017, 09:39 PM
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From what I've seen & thrown, Challengers are beefiest in ESP FLX (now discontinuted ).
I have 6 of them (plus I've lost two more over the years), and all of them have been significantly more OS than the Challengers I've thrown in the following plastic types ( approx. # I've thrown next to each type):

Pro D; 3+
Soft X: 3+
Cryztal Z; 5+
Glow Z FLX; 2
Ti; 3

In fact, I've found both the Glo's and Ti's to be surprisingly not OS, but wouldn't describe them as US (i.e. definitely not APX-like).
That rubber blend they have been running the D plastic with is great.
Ive got 7 of them recently that are super beef.
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Old 07-23-2017, 11:35 PM
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I hope this flies something like a Discmania S-FD.

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Old 07-23-2017, 11:51 PM
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So far, I've perma-bagged two AR molds: 2008 Nebula & 2016 Archer. Zombee and Mantis made the bag for a few months.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:04 PM
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I'd bet plastic that it's going to be an updated XL.
Called it.



As far as the Mantis being an XL replacement? I know some Discraft pros that bagged it as such, but the Mantis is a touch more OS than an XL, and there's definitely room for the two.

For me the XL is a LeopardOS/seasoned Teebird for hitting gaps, tunnels, etc, something I can back off and still get a decent flight out of. The Mantis wants to be pushed out further.

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Old 07-24-2017, 05:57 PM
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Called it.



As far as the Mantis being an XL replacement? I know some Discraft pros that bagged it as such, but the Mantis is a touch more OS than an XL, and there's definitely room for the two.

For me the XL is a LeopardOS/seasoned Teebird for hitting gaps, tunnels, etc, something I can back off and still get a decent flight out of. The Mantis wants to be pushed out further.
I concur with this. Mantis is more stable.

A 21st century XL would be nice. I have and eliteX XL that is just a blast to throw.

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Old 07-25-2017, 12:32 PM
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By the looks I'm guessing flight numbers 6/4/-3/1 for experienced arms and 6/4/-1/2 for intermediate players/beginner ... Discraft rating 0.4 haha likely
Westside rating 13/9/-1/4 hahahahahahaha

Not a bad choice for an ace race, I just hope its not Stupid flippy like last years

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Old 07-25-2017, 07:35 PM
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By the looks I'm guessing flight numbers 6/4/-3/1 for experienced arms and 6/4/-1/2 for intermediate players/beginner ... Discraft rating 0.4 haha likely
Westside rating 13/9/-1/4 hahahahahahaha

Not a bad choice for an ace race, I just hope its not Stupid flippy like last years
Westside's numbering for their newer molds is spot on.

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