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Old 05-23-2022, 03:21 PM
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Hard to tell from camera angle. Looks like you are getting taller into the plant instead of dropping lower. Raise your rear foot up and drop down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuvujcEMLxs#t=3m18s
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Old 06-29-2022, 07:53 PM
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Hard to tell from camera angle. Looks like you are getting taller into the plant instead of dropping lower. Raise your rear foot up and drop down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuvujcEMLxs#t=3m18s
It's been awhile since I last posted on this thread. Couldn't get out to the field very much and my form (as poor as it was) took a hit. I missed basically a month of practice but am working on it again.

I've decided to stop throwing anything faster than a Teebird. Flexing wraiths with my ****ty form was good for the confidence as I got several 400+ throws, but I couldn't hit a target to save my life. Below is a video of me throwing a TL and Teebird out to around 320ft, as well as some standstill work.

Teebird & TL Throws: https://youtu.be/fycliRi7KM4
I felt good about these, as they were on target out to 320ft and I didn't feel like I put everything I had into the throw. Still looks like I'm not falling into the plant leg. Thoughts?


Standstill Work: https://youtu.be/pG9zvixxVbY
After watching this back, I know I'm still not doing the weight shift right. It feels like I'm bracing, but it doesn't look like I'm falling backwards. I know my back knee shouldn't be doing what it's doing. I haven't seen anyone else's knee move like that. But my current "shift" doesn't give it a different way to move. Thoughts?

I have moved on from the crush the can drill. I'm just trying to consciously fall into the plant leg for now, not worrying about even throwing a disc while doing it. I don't know what it is, but I can never successfully do crush the can. It's been super frustrating.
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Old 07-01-2022, 12:14 AM
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When you address/preswing your body has flown open/spun out while your arm is still completely bent.

Keep your chest/shoulders closed to target and hammer out/extend the arm/disc to target.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=134167
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=132910
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When you address/preswing your body has flown open/spun out while your arm is still completely bent.

Keep your chest/shoulders closed to target and hammer out/extend the arm/disc to target.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=134167
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=132910
When out to the field today and consciously thought about keeping my chest and shoulders closed to the target.

Standstill: https://youtu.be/aaimJdNjdOY
Side View: https://youtu.be/Clhs32P-aRo
Behind View: https://youtu.be/KU6OHDf9TgU

Does this look better? I don't think I've ever posted a form video from behind. Kind of hard to get a good angle, as I don't have a tall tripod. Anything look off from this? I have noticed that my mids and putters will sometimes hook to the left (I'm lefty, everything fades to the right). What's causing this?

I still think my biggest struggle is the weight transfer. I don't know why this has been so hard to fix. It never feels very powerful, and I can't really tell if I'm making any improvements on it. I've stopped completely thinking about distance when it comes to form work, which I think was derailing progress.
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Old 07-04-2022, 03:06 AM
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Man, it looks really rough on the back. Trying way too hard and tense. Need to relax and swing back and forth more like a heavy sledgehammer.

Your hip is flying open before you plant into it. Work on the 1-2" shift from behind/crush the can.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=118948




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Man, it looks really rough on the back. Trying way too hard and tense. Need to relax and swing back and forth more like a heavy sledgehammer.

Your hip is flying open before you plant into it. Work on the 1-2" shift from behind/crush the can.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=118948

When you say rough on the back, do you mean that as in the throw looks physically demanding on my back? I don't have a sledgehammer, but used a regular claw hammer for the hammer swing drill. Several video links below with exaggerated hammer and disc swing and also a relatively normal standstill swing. Is this still "trying too hard"? It kind of surprised me that you said the previous video was trying too hard. I have went from throwing 370ft to 310-320ft with my current form. Way more accurate, but lost a lot of distance for it.

Exaggerated hammer swing: https://youtu.be/nNQv322qHCU and https://youtu.be/zsa0e9YHgUQ
Exaggerated disc swing: https://youtu.be/vEXYONNrnbA
Standstill swing: https://youtu.be/wrTV5FQvS78 and https://youtu.be/pOmLZHUqjZg

Kind of lost on whether I'm doing this drill right
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Old 07-05-2022, 05:08 PM
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2 Pros on the right have been dealing with spine injuries. Spine extended, and rear arm/shoulder chicken winged - dragging behind.


Where is your hit point with the hammer swings? Your elbow never really leads and extends way early. Can't tell if the hammer is sideways, too much blur. You can practice in slow motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pkfJtVq-8#t=2m33s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu4CzVnITlo#t=7m44s

With the pendulum backswing, you also have the disc almost upside down in the backswing, so your hand is on top the disc, and overswing the backswing. Keep your hand more underneath the disc in pendulum style backswing.

In your SS you do this little wiggle/shake of the disc, drives me nuts, you would never do that with a hammer. Your backswing is way too flat/horizontal. Your weightshift is also late/out of sequence. You should be moving targetward while swinging back to the top of backswing. You are still all the way shifted back at the top and so you are trying shift forward while swinging forward instead of countering the momentum.

Swing drills should have the front foot slightly turned open to target. Only when you are actually throwing or doing crush the can should you turn it further back.

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Where is your hit point with the hammer swings? Your elbow never really leads and extends way early. Can't tell if the hammer is sideways, too much blur. You can practice in slow motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pkfJtVq-8#t=2m33s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu4CzVnITlo#t=7m44s
I think I need to slow down and address each part of this comment. I think addressing one thing at a time will help more than me watching six videos and trying to incorporate them all at the same time. However I will say, the disc shake is something I picked up while trying to have the "pouring the coffee" grip when I first started playing. It helped me not throw nose up, but now it's just a weird thing I do. I figured it's not really hurting anything right now, so I would address it later on. Is that wrong of me to think?

To answer your question about the hit point with hammer swings. I have no idea when the hit point is. When the heel of your brace leg hits the ground? I thought I was doing that. When I watch my videos back, I can't tell if I'm doing it right or not. Where is the hit point supposed to be?

Honestly, I also never thought my elbow was something to worry about in the dingle arm drill. How do you get it to lead the throw? When is the elbow supposed to extend? The only thing I was thinking about in this drill was transferring my weight and keeping my arm very relaxed. Here is a slo mo video that should make it easier to see what's happening. I'm not sure why the quality is bad. Maybe from using the front-facing camera.

https://youtu.be/6JbHTTO99Kk
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The hit point is out "in front" of your body:



It is the point at which the momentum of the disc overwhelms your grip and ejects from the hand.

When you swing a hammer you want to get the feel for the point when the hammer will eject from the hand behind a brace. Imagining smashing a nail against the wall or actually throwing it can help. Think of heaving the hammer with your weight and body and posture and your arm as the thing that transfers the force. It occurs after you are fully braced. The brace is the way your body traps the momentum and allows it to transfer up the chain.

Allow the shoulder swinging to lead the elbow, the elbow to lead the wrist, and the wrist to rip the nose of the disc around into the hit.
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***note that this is part of where people get tangled up in maintaining a 90 degree upper arm angle relative to the upper body. As SW22 tirelessly points out, the arm angle will pass through 90 degrees but the exact angles will vary by player and often be much larger than that.
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