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Old 03-10-2020, 11:57 AM
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Discsport here in Sweden have 37pc of Frontline-X Mortar in stock, and only 5 Euro in shipping

But is the Mortar really that close to a Caiman? . .i have a few of the Pink Grow Mortar and i was thinking of trying a FR Caiman just for fun
Mortar has more glide in the Frontline-X plastic than a Star Caiman, but they are very similar.
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Old 03-10-2020, 01:44 PM
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I've got a 175g Champion Caiman (flat) & when it was new it showed that 5.5 speed out of my hand. As it's worn in a bit I've noticed it's gotten more sluggish. I didn't notice this with the BuzzzOS & for the time being I've switched back to it. Caiman is still great but I didn't expect that.
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Old 03-11-2020, 06:20 PM
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It's all a matter of arm speed and use pattern. I use a Zone and Caiman in similar situations on approaches. Caiman (164g) if I need glide, Zone (also 164g) if I want plop, 90% touch forehands on both. I'm 67 and both are outstanding touch discs. I used a Recon Mortar for a while (169g) and at my arm speed and use pattern definitely didn't get glide.


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Old 03-12-2020, 10:50 AM
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It's all a matter of arm speed and use pattern. I use a Zone and Caiman in similar situations on approaches. Caiman (164g) if I need glide, Zone (also 164g) if I want plop, 90% touch forehands on both. I'm 67 and both are outstanding touch discs. I used a Recon Mortar for a while (169g) and at my arm speed and use pattern definitely didn't get glide.


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It is kind of crazy the level of glide you can get out of the Mortar vs some of these other OS options.

The Mortar and the Caiman are compared pretty regularly, but they are surprisingly different. Innova has the fast OS upshot disc slot covered with the Caiman - interested to see if they can figure out something slower and OS. AviarX3 seems like a good option, if not a little deep when compared to the Zone etc.

Personally I rock a Rhyno/Mortar combo for that brick/glidey OS coverage.
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Old 03-12-2020, 01:14 PM
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It is kind of crazy the level of glide you can get out of the Mortar vs some of these other OS options.

The Mortar and the Caiman are compared pretty regularly, but they are surprisingly different. Innova has the fast OS upshot disc slot covered with the Caiman - interested to see if they can figure out something slower and OS. AviarX3 seems like a good option, if not a little deep when compared to the Zone etc.

Personally I rock a Rhyno/Mortar combo for that brick/glidey OS coverage.
The slower speed makes the AviarX3 much more valuable for short upshots than a 4-speed Zone or Harp, in my opinion. It is deeper, but still comes out clean. If I need something faster, I go to the Caiman (or Mortar if that's what I'm bagging at the time).

I personally can't imagine bagging both a Zone and a Mortar.
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Old 03-12-2020, 02:45 PM
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The slower speed makes the AviarX3 much more valuable for short upshots than a 4-speed Zone or Harp, in my opinion. It is deeper, but still comes out clean. If I need something faster, I go to the Caiman (or Mortar if that's what I'm bagging at the time).

I personally can't imagine bagging both a Zone and a Mortar.
I would not bag a Zone and a Mortar, especially not a more mild, glidey Zone. However I will admit that they do fly like a putter and a mid respectively, with the mortar having more lateral movement overall regardless of stability.

I would for sure rather bag one or two Zones, or alternatively a slower AX3 or Rhyno plus a faster Caiman or Mortar.
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Picked up a Champ Caiman in a hazy mint green. 'Softer' feeling, and seems more prone to scuffing than any of my other champion discs. Flat, just like my Big Jerm Mortar which it is in competition with for that spot in my bag. So far. I like the Caiman a bit more. It seems to get more distance (easier) which takes care of the overlap problem I was experiencing with carrying the Mortar and the Aviarx3.

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Picked up a Champ Caiman in a hazy mint green. 'Softer' feeling, and seems more prone to scuffing than any of my other champion discs. Flat, just like my Big Jerm Mortar which it is in competition with for that spot in my bag. So far. I like the Caiman a bit more. It seems to get more distance (easier) which takes care of the overlap problem I was experiencing with carrying the Mortar and the Aviarx3.
The Champion Caiman is really good. I've done a fair amount of work between my Caiman, Drone, BuzzzOS & Zone. The Caiman just feels the best for my FH grip & that keeps the consistency.
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Old 07-14-2020, 02:17 PM
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I’ve got a pink protostar star caiman that I throw once in a blue moon. Are the flatter champs any more beefy? I’ve felt a few of the opaque flat champs and they seem nice. Or thrown either compared to the croc? Felt up a few crocs and they’ve got a bit of a weird shape but look like they’d be beefy. Felt some flat ones, but also saw some domey ones.
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I’ve got a pink protostar star caiman that I throw once in a blue moon. Are the flatter champs any more beefy? I’ve felt a few of the opaque flat champs and they seem nice. Or thrown either compared to the croc? Felt up a few crocs and they’ve got a bit of a weird shape but look like they’d be beefy. Felt some flat ones, but also saw some domey ones.
Try a Metal flake Gator, those have the least amount of glide of any disc I have seen.
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