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Old 04-26-2019, 06:46 AM
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So we have this water hazard that varies in depth and witdh greatly depending on the time of year since it is quite shallow. I am pretty sure the property line for the neighbors goes right through the middle of it. I would like to refer to the water as casual since because of leaf littler and the way the ground surrounding the water is saturated thus making it difficult to decide if it a disc near the edge is in the water or not. I know the way to solve that is to paint a line around the water which is fine for a tourney but for a weekly league would be a royal PITA. So if a disc goes decidedly in the water the typical call is to play it in the line of play on the other side of the water to get relief. Obviously, that would mean tresspassing. What is the right call here? Leave it casual and make a drop zone? Or just (cringe) make the water OB?
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:50 AM
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806.04 Relief Area

A relief area is an area designated by the Director from which a disc may not be played, or any in-bounds area that players are prohibited by law from entering. A relief area is played as an out-of-bounds area with the exception that no penalty throw is assessed to a player whose disc comes to rest in a relief area.

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Old 04-26-2019, 08:06 AM
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806.04 Relief Area

A relief area is an area designated by the Director from which a disc may not be played, or any in-bounds area that players are prohibited by law from entering. A relief area is played as an out-of-bounds area with the exception that no penalty throw is assessed to a player whose disc comes to rest in a relief area.
This is a good solution, especially if a drop zone is implemented with it. The only problem is that if faces the same flaw that has Dave reluctant to make it OB...the defining line is blurry. I suppose for a weekly league, you could simply say that if it is wet enough that the player doesn't want to take a stance at the disc's position, he has the option of moving to the drop zone with no penalty.
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Use stakes to make a permanent line that isn't effected by high/low water.

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Old 04-26-2019, 12:57 PM
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This is a good solution, especially if a drop zone is implemented with it. The only problem is that if faces the same flaw that has Dave reluctant to make it OB...the defining line is blurry. I suppose for a weekly league, you could simply say that if it is wet enough that the player doesn't want to take a stance at the disc's position, he has the option of moving to the drop zone with no penalty.
It's a fairly minor problem---the decision as to where the demarcation is only affects the resulting lie by a couple of feet. The important thing is that the debate over where the line is doesn't cost anyone a full stroke penalty.

Though admittedly a fixed drop zone, far enough back that no one would take advantage of it, would be better.

(I like this rule option the PDGA now offers. We used it at a non-sanctioned event, before the PDGA introduced it, when a bulldozer left a huge debris pile running for 250' along the right side of a fairway. We didn't want anyone to play in it---it was just temporary---and casual relief wouldn't work; and CR with a drop zone wasn't a solution, either, since the hazard was so large that no spot would be right.)

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(I like this rule option the PDGA now offers. We used it at a non-sanctioned event, before the PDGA introduced it, when a bulldozer left a huge debris pile running for 250' along the right side of a fairway. We didn't want anyone to play in it---it was just temporary---and casual relief wouldn't work; and CR with a drop zone wasn't a solution, either, since the hazard was so large that no spot would be right.)
Yep- I have used it for years at HH.

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To me this is a simple one -- for casual and tourneys.

Make all inbounds throws that land in that water go to a free relief zone. Create a FRZ (marked just like a drop zone, but without penalty) at a fair location behind where the water is at is highest, and leave it there.

That's what I'd do. Have some type of permanent way to mark it also, like a railroad tie or similar . Then give every shot either option -- play it where it lies or FRZ.

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So I could just say that the drop zone is 3' away from the standing water from where the disc went in so long as it isn't any closer to the basket? Or does a drop zone have to be permanently marked?
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So I could just say that the drop zone is 3' away from the standing water from where the disc went in so long as it isn't any closer to the basket? Or does a drop zone have to be permanently marked?
What you're suggesting (a meter from where it went into the water) is within the rules of a Relief Area (806.04), but it is not technically a drop zone. Drop zones by definition are permanently marked in a specific location.

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What you're suggesting (a meter from where it went into the water) is within the rules of a Relief Area (806.04), but it is not technically a drop zone. Drop zones by definition are permanently marked in a specific location.
Thank you. That's helpful.

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