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I've said this before - maybe even on this thread.

She's the most frustrating player I've ever seen to watch. She is so much better than everyone but she goes for EVERYTHING and it kills her. She has one of the worst game plans of anyone on tour.
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Completely agree with this. Maddening to watch her when she's not making shots and she's still running everything.

McBeth does this at times too. He might have won worlds last year if he had just layed up for the easy tap in par I think it was instead of running the death putt (that ended up going OB and then he missed the come back). Then he wouldn't have made a 7 on 18 in the 3rd round of worlds last year.
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Well, again: putting is the most unique and individual thing about disc golf. While most pros (and smart amateurs) throw drivers with the same basic form, you (plural) will see everyone from the most elite to the most casual putt in many different ways. From (World Champion) Sarah Hokum to (World Champion) Ricky Wysocki to (World Champion) Paul McBeth to (World Champion?) Eric McCabe... four elite players with four different putting styles... to people in my casual group on weekends, the putting is as unique as the people throwing the discs.

So I won't tell anyone what to emulate or not emulate when it comes to putting. Do what works.
While I tend to agree with the last sentence, I would give anybody the same advice for putting... The fewer "moving parts" the better.

Take Barela for example. When his putting is on, he looks smooth. But when its off a little bit, you will start noticing all the little movements he has and how all those things have to line up just right for the putt to fly properly. Some people just have naturally good timing with that kind of thing. Take Jim Furyk. He has the ugliest golf swing of any pro I have seen but has great timing to bring it all into line at contact. AB doesn't or at least it comes and goes for him.
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Is someone doing a satire of disc golf that I didn't know about?

I agree though that there sees to be parity in both the men's and women' side of things. I think it is good to see and only helps the game. It's not just Paige Pierce winning, and it's no longer just McBeth and Wysocki. I also think it is good to see that McBeth's switch to Discraft really hasn't affected his game much. As much as the fanbois want to believe and convince us all that company X's discs will make you a better player or Team Y's players are the only cool players around, discs really are are commodity now and it doesn't matter what or whose discs you are throwing.
Unless a brand makes a disc that nobody else does anything even close to it that is a big part of your game. Thinking discs like the Gila from Reptile Discs or something like that, a disc that no other brand has even copied. An Epic and Arrow from Aerobie might be another 2 discs that could be lacking in a persons though using a Brands most OS disc in both a hard plastic and a really soft might compensate for not having Arrow though nothing is like the Epic for the flip style tomahawk/thumber , I saw a few guys use that disc to make up for not having the flip style of tomahawk/thumber yey I can do the two finger tomahawk not well as I more often go sky hyzer in more a spike line though it is not as perpendicular to the ground more a 30% angle as to no get the potential bounce from the more vertical throw.
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:03 AM
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While I tend to agree with the last sentence, I would give anybody the same advice for putting... The fewer "moving parts" the better.

Take Barela for example. When his putting is on, he looks smooth. But when its off a little bit, you will start noticing all the little movements he has and how all those things have to line up just right for the putt to fly properly. Some people just have naturally good timing with that kind of thing. Take Jim Furyk. He has the ugliest golf swing of any pro I have seen but has great timing to bring it all into line at contact. AB doesn't or at least it comes and goes for him.
My putt has quite a few parts but the way they are used helps with my putt having less variation on my putt to have it work right more often.
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Unless a brand makes a disc that nobody else does anything even close to it that is a big part of your game. Thinking discs like the Gila from Reptile Discs or something like that, a disc that no other brand has even copied. An Epic and Arrow from Aerobie might be another 2 discs that could be lacking in a persons though using a Brands most OS disc in both a hard plastic and a really soft might compensate for not having Arrow though nothing is like the Epic for the flip style tomahawk/thumber , I saw a few guys use that disc to make up for not having the flip style of tomahawk/thumber yey I can do the two finger tomahawk not well as I more often go sky hyzer in more a spike line though it is not as perpendicular to the ground more a 30% angle as to no get the potential bounce from the more vertical throw.
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maybe when you all 3 have world championships she will start taking your advice
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:25 AM
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While I tend to agree with the last sentence, I would give anybody the same advice for putting... The fewer "moving parts" the better.

Take Barela for example. When his putting is on, he looks smooth. But when its off a little bit, you will start noticing all the little movements he has and how all those things have to line up just right for the putt to fly properly. Some people just have naturally good timing with that kind of thing. Take Jim Furyk. He has the ugliest golf swing of any pro I have seen but has great timing to bring it all into line at contact. AB doesn't or at least it comes and goes for him.
Barela is the only player I've ever seen with this weird bicycle motion where he moves his off arm in the opposite direction like he's pedaling a bike. I have been trying to understand what that does for him, and I just can't figure it out. It seems like it would (a) take some energy away from the weight shift and putting stroke, and (b) cause some twisting motion to his upper body. Seems like both of those require even more unnecessary moving parts to be added in order to compensate.

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So I won't tell anyone what to emulate or not emulate when it comes to putting. Do what works.
Sure, there are lots of ways to be a successful putter. The basics of putting support a greater variety of successful form than driving. The number one priority in putting from is doing what is comfortable with an important caveat: AS LONG AS IT WORKS. It's one thing to critique a players form when it's working, another when that form is producing undesirable results.

Example: I try to refrain from critiquing Sarah Hokom's forehand form because she is successful with it. It has a lot of moving parts, it looks like it's stressful on joints, and I'd never show Hokom's forehand as an example of what a good forehand looks like. But I leave it alone because it works very well for her. She hits tight lines and has great control with that crazy forehand.

Her putt, though? I'll talk about her putt because it gets her in trouble. It doesn't work for her. She lofts the putter almost 10 ft above the basket and hopes that it comes back down on target. A large vertical arc adds an unnecessary variable to putting, and it shows in the ineffectiveness of her putting.

Early this year it looks like she's changed her putting form during the off season and is no longer doing the crazy loft thing. She was routinely bouncing 15 footers off the band last year, often producing bad roll aways in the process, because of her bad putting form. If she really has changed it, then good for her. That was a smart choice that will pay dividends down the line.

You could say the same thing about Seppo Paju's putting form. His straight from the chest form was bad AND it wasn't working for him. He switched it up, and that form change will likely pay off long term.

Paige Pierce's putting is not working for her. It's fair to critique it based on that fact alone.

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Paige Pierce's putting is not working for her. It's fair to critique it based on that fact alone.
I think it's fair to say her putting wasn't working very well in Vegas. But there's a difference between saying her putting was not working for her there and saying her putting is not working for her in general.

She came out of the gate badly, but she actually finished the weekend fairly well. She was 0% in C1x in round 1, 54% in round 2, 67% in round 3 and 90% in round 4 for an overall of 61% for the tournament (5th best in the field...Bjerkaas, interestingly, was at 35%). Her C1x percentage for all of 2018 was 65%, which was fifth among qualified FPO players (#1 was 72%). So in general, she wasn't as far off on the green as she usually is.

That's not to say she can't be better (everyone can) but ultimately, the difference for her in Vegas didn't come down to her putting, it came down to her keeping her disc between the lines. She just compounded her worst rounds going OB with her worst rounds on the green.
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