MVP Disc Sports (Official Thread) (Part V)

[discspeed]

They just discontinued production N Atoms. I have a feeling a lot if their plastic option discontinuations were in part to make Circuit/LE/etc special discs more special. If the Atom remains popular I would bet we will see it run in Neutron again at some point.

[funguy]

Originally Posted by discspeed

They just discontinued production N Atoms. I have a feeling a lot if their plastic option discontinuations were in part to make Circuit/LE/etc special discs more special. If the Atom remains popular I would bet we will see it run in Neutron again at some point.

They were also probably considering the burden on small retailers to carry a full line of their discs. That has often been the biggest complaint, too many plastics to choose from. And for many of these molds, the plastic flight differences are minimal.

[ThomasOrion]

I loved my Neutron Atoms. I hope they can find a way to give life back to some of those molds. a PLASMA ATOM would be cool. I just hope they are stable so they don't overlap with my Proxy

[discerdoo]

Scratched my itch for getting a $50 Big Z Luna.

Got a sweet blue/blue plasma Envy instead. Gonna be throwing it 400' before you know it.

[discspeed]

I just grabbed a heavy Proton Atom and I'm pleased to say that it is the most overstable Atom I've thrown. The fade starts a little earlier and is a bit more gradual than my N Atoms. In the under 300' workout I gave it today I saw zero high speed turn, even with some wind.

My P Matrix is starting to break in. I'm noticing later fades and better glide on shorter stuff. The nice slight hyzers I was getting when the disc was new are now pushing forward. Basically it's becoming more Buzzish.

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by discspeed

I just grabbed a heavy Proton Atom and I'm pleased to say that it is the most overstable Atom I've thrown. The fade starts a little earlier and is a bit more gradual than my N Atoms. In the under 300' workout I gave it today I saw zero high speed turn, even with some wind.

My P Matrix is starting to break in. I'm noticing later fades and better glide on shorter stuff. The nice slight hyzers I was getting when the disc was new are now pushing forward. Basically it's becoming more Buzzish.

They showing any high speed turn for you?

[discspeed]

Originally Posted by Mike C

They showing any high speed turn for you?

My Matrix is starting to push on a 300' shot, which means it's getting a micro amount of turn to stay straight longer and delay the fade. It doesn't have a 3 part flight yet. I can see the potential for it to become a nice turning disc in time. I almost grabbed a Neutron with a high PL and an Electron yesterday to try to go full-on Matrix, but I got a Pyro and P Atom instead. Maybe next time.

[Jacobpaul81]

Originally Posted by Mediocrefellow

There's that, which is reason enough I think, and the fact that despite a cult following of loyalists their mid's have been the weakest part of their lineup. Ive personally bagged a few tangents, an axis, vector, and theory and finally settled on proton and electron matrix's to cover all mid shots because I find it to be the most versatile mid they have.

I for one am excited to see what they come up with because their putters and drivers are leading the industry pack in performance IMHO.

Interestingly, according to sales data from Infinite, the Axis was selling pretty well for them. Better than the Matrix. Top 3rd of the line-up. Of course, practically every other discontinued mid had low sales. Not surprising, the Envy was outselling everything else at a ridiculous rate... it was outselling the next most popular disc, the Pilot, nearly 3 to 1.

When putters like the Envy or Pilot or Entropy fly 300' consistently, what's a midrange driver actually for? Beginners struggle to throw far and race out and buy drivers. Advanced players may add a midrange at some point - they are still for the most part, driver happy. Pros have the arms to throw putters like mids... Midrange Driver is a challenging sell point I'm sure.

I've personally bagged the Axis, Matrix, Vector, and Deflector - at one point all at the same time. But they slowly but surely got removed from my rig. I have a Matrix, but I don't use it much. Envy / Entropy covers most shots that I'd throw a midrange at - when I do throw it, it's usually for a left to right anhyzer in the trees where I need a little more speed to carry.

Steve did say this week that they will be using the Matrix core for future mids... so that's interesting...

[wolfmandragon]

Originally Posted by Jacobpaul81

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When putters like the Envy or Pilot or Entropy fly 300' consistently, what's a midrange driver actually for? Beginners struggle to throw far and race out and buy drivers. Advanced players may add a midrange at some point - they are still for the most part, driver happy. Pros have the arms to throw putters like mids... Midrange Driver is a challenging sell point I'm sure.

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Putter require too much height and lack glide. Drivers don't hold lines as clean.

If you play heavy woods golf, a mid is more important than a putter or a driver. I can putt with a mid.

The low glide of MVP mids killed them in my area.

[ThomasOrion]

Originally Posted by wolfmandragon

Putter require too much height and lack glide. Drivers don't hold lines as clean.

If you play heavy woods golf, a mid is more important than a putter or a driver. I can putt with a mid.

The low glide of MVP mids killed them in my area.

exactly - the ceiling, and the shot shape determine the type of disc WAY more than the distance. There are short shots that McBeth throws high-speed drivers and other players on the same card throw a putter. also the super long holes he throws a mid or putter when its Driver distance. All depends on the ceiling, the shape, the finish, the ground-play and the wind. So yeah, Mids are really important, but if I'm playing a wide open course I may not use any. Just depends. I use certain fairway drivers for low ceiling shots where the distance may call for a putter or mid. All depends.