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Old 05-24-2018, 11:28 AM
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So how *should* this have been played?

I would hazard to guess from my reading that Ricky should have incurred a one throw penalty for the foot fault, then played from the hazard with no penalty.

That doesn't seem right intuitively, but it's all I can come up with.
Actually, by rule it's the ONE penalty that is most severe. But only ONE.

So either:

a) one-throw penalty for foot fault and throw next from the succeeding lie; - OR-

b) take the one-throw penalty from ending up in the hazard and play from the hazard.

In this case both are exactly the same, so you can calll it either one.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:32 AM
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I'm positively surprised that the RC actually realized this potential problem with removing the rethrow from the stance violation. However it does seem like you are "getting away" free with your stance violation or OB/hazard throw. Maybe the reasoning is that since you landed OB/in a hazard, you clearly didn't get an advantage out of you foot fault, but that is also the reasoning most people use for not calling the foot fault in the first place, and really shouldn't bee a deciding factor for if a penalty is applied or not. Also, if you had to rethrow, you still might end up OB/in a hazard on your rethrow, and would deserve to get two penalties
True. But under the Old rule you could also ace it for a "1" if it was your first time.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:23 PM
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For NT's and Majors there should be mandatory players meetings where they cover specific rules. Maybe a new set of 3-4 per event. Nascar does this before the events. Other sports are officiated by career officials. It is insane that so few disc golfers that have made this sport their living refuse to study the rules.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:34 PM
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It is insane that so few disc golfers that have made this sport their living refuse to study the rules.
Also kinda wonky that even people of average intelligence seem to have a hard time understanding them as well ( me included ) . Do we have to study them and keep up with the yearly changes to understand and is that what we want?

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Old 05-25-2018, 07:14 PM
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Yearly changes? This year's new rule book is the first in five years.

Really, it isn't a matter of knowing or studying the rules that is the most bothersome, at least to me. It's the arrogance (for lack of a better word) on the part of a lot of players (not just pros) that they know the rules and can make rulings without ever consulting the rule book to verify themselves.

I'm not talking about whipping out the book on every OB to ensure that the rule is still 1 meter from last in-bounds or that the disc still has to be completely surrounded by OB. I'm talking about the less frequently employed rules that, since you haven't seen it put to use in a while, you double check to be sure you remember it correctly. Or, in the case of the MPO lead card at Masters Cup, a newly changed rule (which to their credit they knew) and how to proceed when it runs into another rule/penalty (which clearly they didn't know). The non-stacking of penalties on the same throw isn't even a new rule. It didn't change with the new book. But they proceeded as if it had, which to me is where they should have stopped and double checked.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:42 PM
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Also kinda wonky that even people of average intelligence seem to have a hard time understanding them as well ( me included ) .
Might be a reflection of just how low the bar of "average intelligence" actually is.



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Do we have to study them and keep up with the yearly changes to understand and is that what we want?
I can't think of an organized sport that I've participated in over the last 50-some years that didn't at least tweak its rules annually, if not introduce wholesale changes. Certainly, intercollegiate as well as major professional sports introduce new rules, interpretations, and points of emphasis every year, and players and coaches in those sports don't seem to have much trouble staying abreast of those changes.

Is it what we want? Given the abysmal knowledge of the rules, even--or especially--at the highest levels of competition, you're darn tootin' that's what we want.

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Do we have to study them and keep up with the yearly changes to understand and is that what we want?
Yes and yes.

When you play in a group of 4, you are player 25% of the time and ref 75% of the time. I think it is not asking too much to expect that you actually know the rules.

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When you play in a group of 4, you are player 25% of the time and ref 75% of the time.
A great way of stating our responsibilities if we choose to enter a tournament.

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Old 06-03-2018, 02:27 PM
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Yes and yes.

When you play in a group of 4, you are player 25% of the time and ref 75% of the time. I think it is not asking too much to expect that you actually know the rules.
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A great way of stating our responsibilities if we choose to enter a tournament.
Ref 100% of time, self-officiate.

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Old 06-06-2018, 01:20 PM
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Glad I stumbled upon this thread. I was screaming at my TV when watching this live as it recently came up locally and on my rules exam. I was confident they got it wrong at the time, but I again started to question my own knowledge.
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