#1  
Old 06-11-2018, 10:36 AM
RocHucker RocHucker is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 42
Niced 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Do legs contribute distance to mid-distance throws?

Short version of my question is this:

How should a thrower executing a technically correct backhand drive power down throws and maintain consistency? Should he purely remove power at the beginning of the kinetic chain, or should he "soften up" the end of the kinetic chain as well?

Longer/more explained version of my question:

I've been thinking lately that my consistency on mid-distance throws may be suffering because I am bringing too much power/momentum into the throw. Not saying that I'm a powerhouse by any stretch, just that if I'm approaching a 250' throw the same way that I would approach a 350' throw, then in order to get my desired result on a 250' hole I am forcing myself to subconsciously bleed power off of my throw by opening the shoulders too early or some other form inefficiency.

Should I instead be bringing less power into the throw, so that a desired 250' result will be achieved by still using the levers in my upper body (elbow, wrist, etc.) to get maximum distance out of the power that I've made available by my approach?

I ask this because I can get at least 250' of distance out of almost purely upper body (or at least what feels like it) if I use my elbow hinge efficiently and get a good snap on the disc, so if I powered down my legs as described above then I'd be using no lower body for 250' throws. I'm hesitant to do this though because this seems to stand counter to the "power from the ground up" advice I read on here. In addition, you rarely see videos of the pros where they do a stand-still throw (at least not when they have clear footing). Are their slow "run-ups" on shorter throws purely for rhythm, without any true power from legs on 250-300' throws?

To sum up:


Should I power down by reducing my acceleration throughout the throw (by using less than fully efficient arm action) OR by reducing my initial speed enough (by reducing or maybe even eliminating the beginning of the kinetic chain) that I achieve my desired distance by still accelerating fully through the throw?

Thanks in advance
Sponsored Links
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-11-2018, 01:53 PM
mrtho mrtho is offline
Par Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Lamar,Ar
Courses Played: 10
Posts: 155
Niced 45 Times in 29 Posts
Default

Why not simply disc down? Im sure you aren't throwing a putter/mid 350 if that is your max. Simply disc down and throw as normal.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-11-2018, 02:00 PM
Jaysauls's Avatar
Jaysauls Jaysauls is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chapin, SC
Years Playing: 10.3
Courses Played: 104
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 42
Niced 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

I throw with the same arm motion and power I do with my drivers (within reason). I just disc-down to midranges that have no glide or very stable putters. They way my motion is consistent, I just down have the same carry.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-11-2018, 02:09 PM
Shamis Shamis is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Years Playing: 9.3
Courses Played: 68
Throwing Style: RHBH
Posts: 592
Niced 133 Times in 75 Posts
Default

Buy a harp.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-11-2018, 03:58 PM
slowplastic slowplastic is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 6,254
Niced 2,590 Times in 1,647 Posts
Default

The X-step they do is purely for consistency and rhythm. If you are walking the direction of the throw, the momentum kind of keeps you going on line. You likely know how easy it is to shank a throw early or late if you are trying to standstill and use just your arm. Keep your body mechanics happening, even if from standstill, so that you land closed and delay the arm swing rather than open up too early or use the arm at the wrong time.

I find it's best to figure out what elements to reduce or take out of your throw to lower the power. For example I lose like 10% of my power if I go to a standstill. You can also disc down or throw the shot lower, so you can maybe throw a 250' shot with 280' of power but throw it like 6' high. On hard pack ground this doesn't work as well obviously, the disc will push forward. Some people go to a different grip like a fan grip as they feel that loses a little distance for them with the same power input.

Also if you have less of a hop in the steps and less drop into the plant that will take out a ton of power, while still having a similar feel and the steps taking you down the target line.

This is tricky though, I hate 125-175' approaches you have to throw backhand. It's in that inbetween power range. Best bet though is to try to stay consistent with your base mechanics. You can also use a more overstable disc like a Zone/Harp, and use a subtle hyzer line, these things should soak up another say 30' of power over a straight putter throw to get the same distance. Experiment with things like that when you have the open line to the target, so that you can throw closer to your ideal power and let the disc absorb the distance a bit with its line and overstability.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-11-2018, 04:01 PM
Broken Shoulder's Avatar
Broken Shoulder Broken Shoulder is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Minnesota
Years Playing: 10.4
Courses Played: 19
Posts: 3,613
Niced 1,206 Times in 531 Posts
Default

Shorten your reachback.

Niced: (1)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-11-2018, 07:25 PM
sidewinder22's Avatar
sidewinder22 sidewinder22 is offline
* Ace Member *
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Creeping Creek DGC
Years Playing: 13.2
Courses Played: 219
Posts: 15,002
Niced 2,760 Times in 1,709 Posts
Default

Sounds like a strong arming issue, I'm mostly using my weightshift rather than the arm even on 10' putts. As has been suggesting, disc down. If you throw 350' with a driver on a full swing, then club down to a mid or putter which should put you around 250' with the same full swing. You want to use the same swing as much as possible, and let your discs work, but you should be able throw multiple lines with every disc. On shots less than a full putter swing, I'm using less weightshift/momentum and less backswing.
Reply With Quote
 

  #8  
Old 06-12-2018, 01:21 AM
Mushin No Shin's Avatar
Mushin No Shin Mushin No Shin is offline
Eagle Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: In the Wind
Years Playing: 14.6
Courses Played: 787
Posts: 564
Niced 46 Times in 29 Posts
Default

Take a knee
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Average distance variance between putter, mid, fairway and distance driver. gammaxgoblin General Disc Golf Chat 31 07-29-2018 02:02 PM
Problems getting distance with FH throws.. shaye015 Technique & Strategy 45 05-13-2012 02:32 PM
Distance without using your legs? imoser_me Technique & Strategy 34 05-20-2010 01:55 PM
Measuring distance of throws on the course. Waddly Hobbins General Disc Golf Chat 42 08-19-2009 01:11 PM
Mid and putter distance vs driver distance Hamilton Technique & Strategy 35 05-05-2009 12:11 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.