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. . what happens if you "run out of discs" on that hole 16? . . no way you can run up and get one of the ones you thrown in 30sec
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:56 AM
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Yes, but you kind of can lay that second shot up instead of throwing your whole bag at the island
Still have to cross the bunCR at some point. And with no penalty for missing, it's hard to argue that laying up and pitching over (2 throws) is a better play than just getting on the green from where you are (1 throw). Even if you've missed two or three times in a row.

I suppose if they're missing short each time and they're running out of discs to throw that kind of distance, laying up is wise. But I'm guessing that wasn't the case and perhaps they were missing long or wide so distance wasn't the problem. It was accuracy. And shorter shots aren't necessarily easier to throw accurately, especially when it has to land in a defined area. I know I'd rather be at 200-250 than 120-150 feet on an approach like that.
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:58 AM
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. . what happens if you "run out of discs" on that hole 16? . . no way you can run up and get one of the ones you thrown in 30sec
Case can be made that not having a disc to throw is a "distraction" that allows you to delay the start of a 30 second clock.

But also, there's no rule saying that it has to be the thrower that retrieves the discs. Could be a spotter, or a spectator, or a cardmate, or a caddy that runs up and retrieves discs. Perhaps before the player gets down to their final disc.
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:02 AM
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I don't disagree with any of that, but after watching the first two rounds of the FPO and MPO, I've come to the conclusion that it may not matter where they tee off from, to wit:

The MPO top players can approach, and they can putt. I watched Simon Lizotte can 40 ft. putts with seeming ease, and of course Paul, Wysocki, and Eagle putt well. And the approaches and versatile shots from seemingly difficult positions never ceases to amaze.

But the FPO? I apologize in advance; I want the women to do well. But they can't putt. Even inside the circle. Catrina Allen, one of the top 3 or 4 best female DG players on the planet... misses 6 foot putts. Paige Pierce has gotten some of her putting form and confidence back, but even she is nowhere near the top several cards of MPO players. And we're not talking all that great distances, here.

And while the MPO players are good enough at putting they don't need to be super-accurate in their approaches... they are. McBeth's black Zone leaves his hand from just about anywhere, and shows up inside the bullseye circle. Same with the other MPO players; you know they're going to be close. But the FPOs? It's just not the same. Sure the guys have bad shots and bad holes, but some of these ladies... and some of the best of them, just aren't nearly as consistently good.

So let the ladies tee off on the men's tees, and they might average a full extra throw more than the men. Or let them tee off from closer. In the European Open it doesn't seem to matter... because the FPO players aren't putting nor approaching nearly as well as their MPO counterparts.

TL;DR: MPO can putt lights out; FPO can't.
It is because putting and approaching from a stand still require upper body strength.

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Old 07-21-2019, 08:06 AM
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Insane battle in MPO. . SO many players close in score at the top. .
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:08 AM
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MPO is live on PDGA Facebook
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:24 AM
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And Paul's got another one in the bag... *yawn*

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Old 07-21-2019, 08:30 AM
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It's at least 10 minutes behind actual play so hard to consider it "live" per se. It has probably lagged so much because apparently there's more than 4000 people.
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:58 AM
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It is because putting and approaching from a stand still require upper body strength.
Except that they're not missing due to lack of strength; their putts are not falling out of the air short of the basket (especially the short ones Cat has missed). They're just not throwing accurately, so sorry, and I'm not sure why...
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It is because putting and approaching from a stand still require upper body strength.
But if you compare Paul and Paiges 2019 UDisc stats for putting.

Paul have 83% C1x and 30% C2
Paige have 67% C1x and 21% C2

Thats not a huge difference . . and no offence to Paige but upper body strength is not the first thing that comes to mind.

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Those stats stands out more in Pauls favor than the putting stats
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