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Old 10-20-2020, 11:19 AM
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Loving all the attention Jay. Maybe we should get a room and take this elsewhere?
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:20 AM
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Good, we have a long way to go.

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Old 10-20-2020, 11:26 AM
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I agree that the testing is flawed, and the number of false positives are definitely skewing the numbers. But what are we supposed to do? Pretend that this thing doesn't exist until more accurate testing is available? Just go back to 100% normal? Assume that the surge in cases is just due to bad data? I hate the policies are being made on suspect data, but add me to the list of people that say "better safe than sorry" instead of "oops".

Our local healthcare system is seeing a sky rocketing number of hospitalizations. That's proof enough for me that it's still out there and getting worse again, and that something needs to be done.
This is definitely the first time in medical history where we have gone from declaring something a "case" solely off of test. Generally it's been reserved for symptomatic persons with a test, or a screening test followed by some more advanced confirmatory test. There's clearly a reason, which is the same reason a lot of things have transpired the way they have. Trying to do the best you can with incomplete continually evolving information.

The problem is how the information is being used and how it's being reported. This is why a lot of people have argued that hospitilizations should be the driving policy factor. Even if you completely discount the false positive angle, there is still a huge skew based solely on the accessibility of testing now vs early in the pandemic. In my state we are getting close to the daily case count of April. The general population draws the conclusion that it's getting as bad as it was then. The media likes to reinforce this, and those in political power are happy to allow it to happen because it creates more support for their policies. In actuality we are in WAY better shape. Ours deaths and hospitalizations are about 10% of what they were then. People fail to remember that early on, at least in my state, in order to get tested you basically had to be hospitalized. If you were sick but not in the hospital you were told to assume you had it and quarantine but there was no test available. Now if you get a sniffle you can call your doctor and get a test. The ratio of actually infected / tested positive today is drastically lower than it was early on. Just look at the US case history. Twice as many people were testing positive in July as April, yet over 2000 people a day were dying in April. If we had the testing capacity we have today back then, you likely would have been well over 100,000 a day for weeks on end.

The flip side of that is when you look at places like Wisconsin. Their case count plus 30% or whatever crazy positivity rate they have, is telling you something much different than the uptick in cases in eastern states with low positivity rates. What they are experiencing is more akin to the first wave that early hit states experienced. They're in some serious hot water.

As far as the "better safe than sorry", I agree with that as long as you're not ignoring the widespread implications of the economic damage, and not just in our country, but worldwide. Something like 400,000 people die of malaria every year in Africa. The WHO estimates that will double this year because of fallout from the covid. Less than 40,000 people have died from Covid in Africa. Malaria is going to kill 10 times as many more in Africa because of Covid, than Covid will actually kill. That's just one disease. That's not even counting the worldwide consequences of poverty and malnutrition.

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Old 10-20-2020, 11:36 AM
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Dude is a bit of a conspiracy nut. I watched that video (sort of)...youtube rolled to another one and it was on IVERMECTIN. He's going on about "why didn't Fauci recommend Vitamin D and Ivermectin???"

Because Fauci's not a conspiracy nut on YOUTUBE? He can't just pull stuff out of his poop shoot and suggest the whole world do some random and unproven treatment?

So, rather than provide factual information, he's on the big pharma conspiracy train. Not that I'm a fan of "big pharma"...they are ruthless. But, spreading conspiracy nonsense is bad as well.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-drugs/faq-20485627
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I guess it isn’t really funny given the potential harm of people believing it, but I find it amusing that there are so many of these crackpots spouting obvious nonsense out there. I guess if you have no conscience and you can get some ad revenue, fooling the gullible American public is a sweet revenue stream.
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:40 AM
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Alex Jones is a millionaire. Go figure.

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Old 10-20-2020, 11:41 AM
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Everyone should be trying to strive to live a healthy lifestyle. Including optimal vitamin and mineral intake, as part of a healthy diet. This is not groundbreaking, nor COVID breakthrough.
It's true, there's nothing groundbreaking. It begs the question though, why 8 months into a pandemic with vitamin D deficiency being endemic in the US and most of Europe, there has been a complete and total void of information disseminated to the public about it.
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:43 AM
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It's true, there's nothing groundbreaking. It begs the question though, why 8 months into a pandemic with vitamin D deficiency being endemic in the US and most of Europe, there has been a complete and total void of information disseminated to the public about it.
We love some snake oil-- I think all of humanity does. We have an RDA...does anyone trust that?
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:04 PM
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With Covid on the rise again in my area, I'm inclined to reduce the amount of takeout/carry out food I eat.
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:12 PM
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Average daily US coronavirus cases have climbed more than 30% over last two weeks via
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Right now: 58,397
2 days ago: 55,493
4 days ago: 53,405
6 days ago: 51,038
8 days ago: 49,475
10 days ago: 47,956
12 days ago: 45,754
14 days ago: 44,482

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Old 10-20-2020, 12:16 PM
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Yesterday was the 1st day in 5(?) that new Ohio cases was under 2000.
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