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Old 02-20-2017, 01:26 PM
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The one thing I'm finding interesting is that they're using the Innova flight ratings as opposed to the (IMHO better) flight chart that was developed for MVP/Axiom.
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Old 02-20-2017, 01:31 PM
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So, um, regular discs? What exactly will the fanbois say makes the discs magical?
Take away the overmold and they still make discs with consistent dome levels and shared cores between discs of the same speed class. That makes it easier to transition from mold to mold compared to throwing molds that share no relation to one another.
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I'm wondering how the (eventual) speed 13 discs are going to stack up against the 23mm class from MVP. More/less glide, distance potential, etc. This is a great business move by MVP/Axiom in my opinion. Really reaching out into the world of non-gyro throwers. Kudos to them for this
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Old 02-20-2017, 01:56 PM
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Take away the overmold and they still make discs with consistent dome levels and shared cores between discs of the same speed class. That makes it easier to transition from mold to mold compared to throwing molds that share no relation to one another.
I only got two mvp discs (actually they are axiom) and the dome is quite different between them. One is completely flat, the other one has a very slight rise to the flight plate that continues to the middle of the disc. They're not the same plastic tho, one is N, the other one is soft N. Perhaps soft plastic molds up with a little bit more dome than normal neutron?

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Old 02-20-2017, 02:42 PM
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I only got two mvp discs (actually they are axiom) and the dome is quite different between them. One is completely flat, the other one has a very slight rise to the flight plate that continues to the middle of the disc. They're not the same plastic tho, one is N, the other one is soft N. Perhaps soft plastic molds up with a little bit more dome than normal neutron?
I've noticed a very slight difference in my Soft N and regular N Envys. Did not notice a difference with the Proxy or Ion when run in different plastics. I think certain molds show a slight variation, though this might be intentional at times. e.g. the Plasma Volts were intentionally run with more dome than the Protons or Neutrons, and it gives them a flight similar to the first run Volts.

In general the dome is very consistent within a mold. Different molds may show different levels of dome, like my Nitro has dome and my Photon does not, but every Photon I own is flat and every Nitro I own has a little dome.

I own 11 Craves and 5 Quasars. All 11 Craves are dead flat, no dome variation. No two Quasars of mine have the same level of dome. I own about 20 Ions and have held on to 4 Wizards. My favorite driving Ion, I have 10 just like it. Same height, dome, flexibility, grip etc. My favorite driving Wizard, I never found another one like it, whether we're talking plastic grip, flexibility, the actual rim depth (Its more shallow than other Wizards), the shoulder shape etc.

What I'd be curious to see MVP do is release an established mold (Volt, Envy etc.) in the Streamline line-up so we can compare overmold to non-overmold versions of the same disc. I don't think they will do that, don't see any reason for them to, but its something I've always wondered about.

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Old 02-20-2017, 02:45 PM
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I've been throwing mostly MVP (and Axiom) for almost my entire disc golf career. With the exception of the last year I've bought and thrown every disc they've made. My current bag is still over half MVP. I love the brand and the discs. Here's what I love about them and also what makes me carry non-MVP discs.

1. Gyro Stabilization.

I think the gyro helps stabilize and lock in the disc flight. For me it makes MVP disc really, really easy to throw straight. It's like I buy the disc and the disc does what it was molded to too.

In that same regard that's also a negative. I don't get the same natural high speed turn out of their discs that I get from the Innova ones in my bag.

For me MVP is like driving a car with tight suspension and throwing my Innova stuff feels like it has much looser suspension.

2. Glide.

As a by product of that gyro stabilization I think MVP discs distance are much more dependent upon arm speed and snap whereas other brands can get equal or greater distance with less power but more glide. I love the Catalyst and the Octane but they're not getting my distance than my Star Tern or Blizzard Katanas for my arm speed (my distance is about 320 with my Catalyst vs 350 with the Katana)

So, my long drawn out point is I'm super exited to see single molds from MVP as I think there are differences in the strengths of overmolds vs. singles molds. Now, I can get the benefits of a single mold in a company whose products I love.
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Old 02-20-2017, 02:53 PM
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I don't understand how MVP *could* do a one-shot version of their existing molds (or do one-shot molds that "share cores" the way their overmolds do). Aren't their existing molds multi-piece to make the rim and the core separately? I would think that in order to make true one-shot molded discs, they would have to make entirely new molds that were designed for that. I'm not super familiar with injection molding, but they couldn't just fill the overmold with, say, Neutron plastic and end up with an all-Neutron disc could they?
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I'm not really solo brand fanboy, but MVP and Westside are the brands that I tend to gel with for different reasons. And if this allows MVP to make a disc that can truely replace my glidey but still OS bomber Kings, they may take over my bag.

It could well come down to their timeline on that disc vs. Westside making a Firebird/Motion type driver.
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These will be all new molds with no seam. MVP can make unweighted rims for current molds (150 class plasma have plasma rims but obviously still 2 different parts.)

They could easily take the design of current mold and make a single mold. Id be curious if they plan to run any basically identical models to test some gyro vs not.
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These will be all new molds with no seam. MVP can make unweighted rims for current molds (150 class plasma have plasma rims but obviously still 2 different parts.)

They could easily take the design of current mold and make a single mold. Id be curious if they plan to run any basically identical models to test some gyro vs not.
If the discs fly identical then it would be pretty bad for their marketing in regards to GYRO tho. Not sure how smart that would be. On the other hand, if the discs flew differently it would validate their marketing
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