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Old 03-13-2017, 01:48 PM
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It's like learning to swing a bat left handed. So frustrating.
This is actually a great way to practice if you play baseball...the bat gives you good feedback if you know how it should feel the other way around.

Your front leg is planting way too far ahead of you. It is opening because it's so far ahead, and your leg is straight. Look at the pro's, their right knee is closer to under their right hip so they can shift/drop their hip (Hershyzer drill), whereas you're having to just reach with your front foot.

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Old 03-13-2017, 01:59 PM
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Oh wow, that makes an assload of sense. I think that's really been my problem trying to get the foot down first before 'driving' or shifting as you call it. I've said this in other form Critique threads that it feels like the ground is too far away, and I can't get my foot down before opening. I think that all comes back to being late on the weight transfer, and thinking I needed to plant then drive.
I think there maybe a change needed in your perception of the drive off the rear foot.
Watch the swivel chair drill then back to your most recent video with that in mind.
You are wanting to lead with the hip but see how it is still your shoulders leading the weight transfer, and then your hammering a break peddle with your leg instead of pushing the accelerator.

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Old 03-13-2017, 02:31 PM
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I think there maybe a change needed in your perception of the drive off the rear foot.
That's why I put 'Driving' in quotes. I know there's a decent amount of unlearning to do here lol. I'm realizing it's more of an uncorking pop than a push. It seems to happen in an instance for pros, where my weight is on the back foot while my upper body leads the weight shift, and then I push the rear leg around the axis. I thought I was doing it right because of stills like these;




But I realize now, that rear leg is turned in way late. This shows the hips are fallowing the upper body, and not the other way around. I'm starting to get it conceptually. It's if I can put in the time mentally and physically to actually be able to change. I'm working on over a year of bad habit development, so I know I need to be patient and keep working at it.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:52 PM
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Yeah, it basically comes down balance and posture and is lot like learning to throw lefty especially if you are proficient with throwing in other sports. Your balance and posture are so weird during the throw, and it is going to feel extremely weird to you moving in more upright balance and posture. The still photo I posted of you vs Jared shows how your spine/head is lined up on your rear foot instead of your front foot. Jared's completely left the rear foot as the knee has moved under his hip. You aren't shifting your weight/balance/spine forward leading from the ground up. Tilted Spiral #2 and Head Position and Lag are extremely applicable and the Swivel Chair Drill. Your tilted spiral would not be perpetual as your lower spine ends up going around you in a roundhouse fashion. The level of your chin - base of your head/skull should be perpendicular to the front leg and easily shows whatever leg you are balanced on or crashing over. The One Leg Drill should help you feel what it's like to have everything stacked and balanced on the front leg and everything should feel effortless pivoting. Once you add the other leg/weight shift to the equation it opens up a can of worms as it becomes a dynamic stack and tilt and angulation, but the pivoting of your body should still feel effortless and upright balanced.

See how Shiffirn is shifting lower body laterally underneath the upper body to maintain balance inside posture moving back and forth and accelerate out of the turns. You would fly over your front leg/ski and face plant as the pressure on your front foot is on the outside edge vs the inside edge of the foot/ski with body dynamically stacked in posture/balance.


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Old 03-13-2017, 06:19 PM
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Your tilted spiral would not be perpetual as your lower spine ends up going around you in a roundhouse fashion. The level of your chin - base of your head/skull should be perpendicular to the front leg and easily shows whatever leg you are balanced on or crashing over.
Please don't kill me Seabass. I filmed these inside with my phone on the floor, while practicing with a towel. I know, but it's all I've got to work with while I'm working. I did a couple one foot towel throws, then did these itty bitty x-step throws trying to really focus on keeping my weight on the inside of that plant foot and head stacked in line with the leg. Also, really concentrating on 'swiveling' rather than driving the leg. Same throw in both, second video is slowed down x1/8


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Old 03-13-2017, 06:22 PM
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It still looks like I'm tilting my head forward, hard to tell with the angle though. FML
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:30 PM
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Looks better foot-wise, I'd rather see a sledgehammer in your hand than a towel. Looks like you are dropping your elbow and hugging yourself, not giving you space/power pocket to swing the disc through. Don't change the height of your elbow relative to your shoulders. Also keep your rear hand on your rear thigh.

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Old 03-14-2017, 11:20 AM
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Another angle of me messing with a towel. I'm really just concentrating on keeping my head in line with the plant foot. It's starting to feel more like a swing . I guarantee when I take this to the field I'm going to have a bunch of issues with nose angle, but I really feel like I'm starting to get it. I don't think I'll be able to throw a frisbee for another week, which sucks, but I'm just going to keep doing dingle arm, door frame, and swivel chair. I learned how to slow down multiple shots on one video, so this will be nice for future videos.

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Old 03-14-2017, 11:36 AM
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I tried to edit that last post before it expired, but didn't make it.
For some reason photo embedding isn't working for me right now, so here's a link to stills from sidewinder, and one from the vid above.
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Lots of posture looks better, but you're not confidently shifting into the plant and you're definitely leaning back rather than getting on to the plant. I suspect this has to do with the indoor surfaces and doing a "controlled" motion rather than having the room and non-slip footing to let it happen.

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