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Raised baskets and artificial OB/ropes 17 17.71%
Standard height and natural rough 79 82.29%
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:35 AM
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Well sure, the design was like going to the casino on some holes. Some of the par 3's had 1 birdie on the day. Basically throw it perfect then roll the dice. Not very good. Yes good designs do exist like Houck courses, so don't tell me I am overly critical. I may be very blunt but I think many people are just scared to hurt others feelings. We can do better. Not saying this course is terrible, it just could be much better. It was a mediocre watch.
You must have hated Winged Foot last weekend. Professionals laying up everywhere, most holes averaging over par. Damn US Open and all its gimmicks like unnaturally raised pin positions, 8 foot deep bunkers and super fast greens. The best llayers had to play safe and take pars. Boring
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:40 AM
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You must have hated Winged Foot last weekend. Professionals laying up everywhere, most holes averaging over par. Damn US Open and all its gimmicks like unnaturally raised pin positions, 8 foot deep bunkers and super fast greens. The best llayers had to play safe and take pars. Boring
Actually the most aggressive player won (Bryson). So maybe that was a poor analogy.
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Old 09-23-2020, 09:53 AM
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There is a drop zone that takes you right back to the line between the branch and tree trunk. If you want bogies all day, go for it, Chachi.

Course is Coyote Point
Bogey or not, I'm going under that limb every time.

I always chuckle at the PDGA commercial that talks about "marveling at the joy of flight" because that's definitely me.

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Old 09-23-2020, 10:13 AM
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Actually the most aggressive player won (Bryson). So maybe that was a poor analogy.
He won by the same margin as Garrett. So Guthrie shoots -10 on a course not giving up a lot birdies but wasn't aggressive. DeChambeau shoots -3 on a course designed to not give up a lot of birdies.

So you must have hated Winged Foot. No drama, one guy got "lucky" and shot way better than everyone else due to gimmicky course conditions.

Yup terrible analogy...

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I like natural rough and scrambling to save par, I like difficult holes that naturally reward good shots and vice versa. That being said, I understand the need for roped OB in a situation where the course designer is making due with the land they have.


Not personally a big fan of raised baskets to literally prop up the difficulty or scoring separation of a hole.


I don't like tired gimmicks

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He won by the same margin as Garrett. So Guthrie shoots -10 on a course not giving up a lot birdies but wasn't aggressive. DeChambeau shoots -3 on a course designed to not give up a lot of birdies.

So you must have hated Winged Foot. No drama, one guy got "lucky" and shot way better than everyone else due to gimmicky course conditions.

Yup terrible analogy...
Nothing gimmicky about the US Open this week. It was just difficult. Raised cups? LOL. You are reaching on this one.

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Old 09-23-2020, 11:31 AM
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Bogey or not, I'm going under that limb every time.

I always chuckle at the PDGA commercial that talks about "marveling at the joy of flight" because that's definitely me.
I misread your post as going around the limb.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:07 PM
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Funny you should bring that up. Just at this moment, I'm sort of wishing the Old Man were right.

We went out and built a course with about every flavor of OB imaginable. It's only got one elevated basket (on a mound), but has a hanging basket (which, on the gimmicky scale, ranks pretty high).

At this moment, we're dealing with a ridiculous amount of demand to play a tournament---it filled plus 28 waiting list in 3 minutes, with another 20 who gave up (that we know of). My life would be much better at the moment, if the vast majority didn't like "artificial OB".

Just an anecdote, not data, of course.
The true test will be the comments AFTER the tournament. Baskets on a mound are not raised baskets per the arguments on this thread. They are using natural terrain for elevation, even if the mounds were created artificially.

As to your many flavors of OB, how many of these are not part of the natural course and are instead ropes or painted lines? painted lines designating a course boundary do not count as artificial BTW. And is this different than the course was originally designed?

Hanging baskets? I throw my putts as hard as i can so my card mates can have a hanging, swinging basket. Not really fair in my book, but if you are going to put those out there, fairness isn't high on the list to start with.

People are hungry for events.

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No you wouldn't that basket is way to large for you. You're so good that these giant baskets are making the game way to easy.
In your quest for hate, you miss the fact that I have never advocated for smaller baskets. I have advocated for baskets with no chains or any other moving part.
 

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I like natural rough and scrambling to save par, I like difficult holes that naturally reward good shots and vice versa. That being said, I understand the need for roped OB in a situation where the course designer is making due with the land they have.


Not personally a big fan of raised baskets to literally prop up the difficulty or scoring separation of a hole.


I don't like tired gimmicks
Course designers do not put up artificial OB, TD's put up artificial OB. The course designer in my area hates artificial OB with a passion and quit the club due to them installing it for events, among other reasons.

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