2017 Amateur & Junior World Championships - Invitation Criteria

[brutalbrutus]

http://www.pdga.com/files/2017_amate...r_criteria.pdf


United States Top Amateur Points earners of the 2016 PDGA Tour year. Minimum Amateur Points Required are:
MA1 - 1,500 Points FA1 - 90 Points MM1 - 750 Points FM1 - 50 Points MG1 - 500 Points FG1 - 40 Points MS1 - 100 Points FS1 - 10 Points ML1 - 20 Points
MJ1 - 200 Points FJ1 - 10 Points MJ2 - 100 Points FJ2 - 10 Points MJ3 - 10 Points FJ3 - 6 Points MJ4 - 2 Points
2 Other Junior Divisions: All 2016 current male juniors eligible for the MJ5 or MJ6 division in 2017 who completed any PDGA Tournament (not league) in an Amateur division during the 2016 PDGA tour year.
All 2016 current female juniors eligible for the FJ4, FJ5, or FJ6 division in 2017 who completed any PDGA Tournament (not league) in an Amateur division during the 2016 PDGA tour year.
3 Female Amateur Legends: All 2016 current female Amateur members eligible for the FL1 division in 2017 who completed any PDGA sanctioned tournament (not league) in an Amateur division during the 2016 PDGA tour year.
4 Additional US State Invites: Any US State that did not have at least 10% of it's resident amateur 2016 Tour participants qualify through criteria 1-3 above, will have additional invites provided to the top overall points earners in order to reach 10%.
5 International: All 2016 current International Amateur members (country other than USA or Canada) who completed a PDGA sanctioned tournament (not league) in either an Amateur or Professional divison during the 2016 tour year.
6 Canadian: All 2016 current Canadian Amateur members who completed three (3) PDGA sanctioned tournaments (not leagues) in either an Amateur or Professional division during the 2016 tour year

[JC17393]

To their credit, this has to be as early as they've ever published qualifying criteria for an upcoming Worlds, at least when announcing a change to it compared to past years.

On the other hand, this is twice in recent years that they've announced a significant increase in the points needed to qualify for Worlds IN THE MIDDLE of the season in which those points are to be earned. Total horse**** on their part.

I have to imagine there are players, with an eye toward qualifying, who now are scrambling to find more tournaments to play before the end of the year because what they've got planned now might not be enough to earn them enough points. Players that might have played a more couple tournaments earlier in the year (or played a different division at some tourneys) had they known sooner how many points they might need. Not everyone had the luxury of playing a big event like Bowling Green and get all the points they need in one go.

Maybe some day they'll be proactive enough to figure this stuff out and let everyone know how many points they're going to need before they earn their first points of the season.

[BionicRib]

So move to canada if you want to play worlds?

[biscoe]

Deja vu all over again. Why can't they set the standards and leave it alone for the year??? That must be too fair.

International standards are completely ridiculous too. Pay for membership and be ambulatory and you too can compete for a World Championship! I can understand this to some slight degree (well-not really) for the divisions which didn't previously exist but for all international players across the board?????

[scarpfish]

Yet another reason to get rid of the points thresholds entirely. If you want to go to Worlds, just play as many events as you can, when registration opens you and all other interested parties put down a $50 deposit.

There will be 'x' number of spots available in your division. The 'x' number of people with the most points get dibs on them, and have a set amount if time to pay the balance of their entry fee. People who don't have enough points can drop out and have their deposit refunded, or choose to remain on the waiting list.

[biscoe]

I'd rather see it be ratings combined with participation. Everyone over rating "x" who played more than "y" events gets an invite. Then tier registration by rating. Offer some reduced standard for internationals but have it be somewhere above simply "alive".

[araytx]

Originally Posted by scarpfish

Yet another reason to get rid of the points thresholds entirely. If you want to go to Worlds, just play as many events as you can, when registration opens you and all other interested parties put down a $50 deposit.

There will be 'x' number of spots available in your division. The 'x' number of people with the most points get dibs on them, and have a set amount if time to pay the balance of their entry fee. People who don't have enough points can drop out and have their deposit refunded, or choose to remain on the waiting list.

Originally Posted by biscoe

I'd rather see it be ratings combined with participation. Everyone over rating "x" who played more than "y" events gets an invite. Then tier registration by rating. Offer some reduced standard for internationals but have it be somewhere above simply "alive".

Been through this before...
Points cannot be a fair way...those with access to the big events will crush it and have a huge advantage. Being from near northeast Kansas or south central Kentucky becomes a huge advantage -- and living in the boonies a huge disadvantage -- and international players might never get in, despite the fact that those from Europe and Asia are putting a lot more money in than anyone else. Plus it'll encourage everyone eligible, except the best MA1 players, to register for MA2 or MA3 to maximize their point accumulation.

Ratings will encourage people to set up and play local leagues on their home course and count every good round as part of e league and throw out the bad ones. Participation favors those like us in Dallas Fort Worth, who have at least one sanctioned PDGA event every weekend.

Why would the majority of Am players want options that favor certain people???? That would be Orwell's 1984.

[ScottyLove]

Doesn't say 2016 AmWorlds points (earned next week) don't count. I keep hearing folks say that you don't count points earned at AmWorlds but I'm saying they count. It would have to be in black and white.

[araytx]

Originally Posted by ScottyLove

Doesn't say 2016 AmWorlds points (earned next week) don't count. I keep hearing folks say that you don't count points earned at AmWorlds but I'm saying they count. It would have to be in black and white.

Yes it does. All points earned in 2016 as an Am count toward your total in your age home division.

See -- "...The process for a player's primary invite uses ALL of their 2016 earned Amateur points, regardless of the amateur division earned in, to meet the requirement for the player's 2017 age bracket division....

Nothing ambiguous about "all".

[scarpfish]

Originally Posted by araytx

Points cannot be a fair way...those with access to the big events will crush it and have a huge advantage. Being from near northeast Kansas or south central Kentucky becomes a huge advantage -- and living in the boonies a huge disadvantage -- and international players might never get in, despite the fact that those from Europe and Asia are putting a lot more money in than anyone else.

Dealing with super tournaments (including the previous years, Am Worlds) needs to be dealt with as well. I would suggest either a special points scale for these events, or a cut off of points from a single event that can be applied.