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Old 03-13-2015, 03:07 PM
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I agree with Steve...just because a throw hits the basket doesn't mean it's the better of two shots. They both missed, but one missed in a more advantageous place than the other.
I believe that 'punishment should fit the crime'. That tenet is at the core of games of skill. For example, in traditional golf a drive that is slightly off-line may land in the first cut, rather than the fairway, making for a slightly more difficult second shot. A drive that is further off-line may land in the rough, a bunker, or may be obstructed by trees, making for a significantly more difficult second shot. In the scenario I presented both players were trying to make their putt, but Player B, whose putt was way off-line, is punished much less severely than Player A, whose putt was only slightly off-target. Luck is the determinative factor, not skill.
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:08 PM
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I don't know if I agree with you OP... there is a risk/reward at those pins near slopes. Some ppl do carry super soft putters for that reason.

I hate when it happens to me but still... I don't want to see rollaway catches around pins that are on slopes
Not catches, I agree...but there should be some flat area which again serves 2 purposes, erosion control and a place for a disc to rest. If you roll off that, oh well.
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:24 PM
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Pretty tough to have these roll away: https://infinitediscs.com/DGA-Blowfly-I
Flukey putts happen to those too, though maybe not as often. I once had a 75 foot rollaway after hitting the cage on a 35 footer at Mt Airy, Hole 17, using a Blowfly. My jaw dropped in astonishment, of course (and I traded away the disc ), but stuff happens, you know?
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:32 PM
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I'm less bothered by those rollaways. I come from sports where there a lot of "playing the odds" decisions.

So on those baskets, you can lay up, with an almost-certain chance of finishing the hole in 2 throws from where you are (unless you screw up the layup). Or you can putt with, depending on the hole, a certain percentage chance of gaining a stroke on the guy who laid up, a certain percentage of scoring the same as the guy who laid up, and a certain percentage of a rolloway and losing a stroke. You weigh those odds and your nerves, and make your decision.

On any given hole the results may be random, but over time they work out.

I'm much more bothered by random results on good shots (trees in the middle of the fairway, far enough away that you can't really aim to miss them), than random results on bad shots (missed putts, in this case).
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:36 PM
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I believe that 'punishment should fit the crime'. That tenet is at the core of games of skill. For example, in traditional golf a drive that is slightly off-line may land in the first cut, rather than the fairway, making for a slightly more difficult second shot. A drive that is further off-line may land in the rough, a bunker, or may be obstructed by trees, making for a significantly more difficult second shot. In the scenario I presented both players were trying to make their putt, but Player B, whose putt was way off-line, is punished much less severely than Player A, whose putt was only slightly off-target. Luck is the determinative factor, not skill.
Determining which was "more off-line" is more than a two dimensional thing, though. You're only looking at left and right, but high and low is off-line as well. A putt hitting the front of the cage is no more "on-line" than a putt that misses six inches to the left or right.
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:36 PM
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That is the risk that you take when trying to go for the BIG reward type shot. And now that I said it, I will probably have a monster roll away during my next round.
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:45 PM
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Make your putt or dont go for it in the first place. I like sloped greens for the risk reward and pucker factor.
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Old 03-13-2015, 03:48 PM
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Also the idea that the player who hit the tray had a better shot is nonsense. A low putt has zero chance to go in. He never gave it a chance. Somebody who air mails it completely at least had the hieght to give it a go. A front rim banger isthe worst possible miss
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Old 03-13-2015, 04:06 PM
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Flukey putts happen to those too, though maybe not as often. I once had a 75 foot rollaway after hitting the cage on a 35 footer at Mt Airy, Hole 17, using a Blowfly. My jaw dropped in astonishment, of course (and I traded away the disc ), but stuff happens, you know?
I had this happen when I had just started. Thought it was going to be the longest putt I had made...it then rolled right past me to probably about 80' from the basket.

Edit: Not a blowfly but similar distances that is.

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I like the risk/reward shots. It's not much different than putting the basket near a pond (Memorial) or next to a cliff(Masters Cup) That being said I wouldn't whine too much if someone wanted to lay down some mulch around a basket to help the discs sit still when they rattle off the cage. The only downside might be fewer of the fluke skip-ins that everyone seems to love.
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