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Old 02-24-2018, 09:36 PM
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Old 02-24-2018, 10:10 PM
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Old 02-25-2018, 01:02 AM
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Isn't Terry there? I though I heard him saying he might to some bonus coverage at this, but I might also be imagining that. Anyways, holy Lizotte's batman.
you are imagining that. He said on FB that he is not there. Innova/Discmania events prefer exclusive post-produced coverage. This event seems worse than the DGWT events as those had video clips you could watch on the discgolf metrix(see paul getting the 2 on 9 instead of seeing just the number 2), as well as Avery Jenkins and others doing Facebook Live and other short videos. At least then while there wasn't live there was alot of content coming out.

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Old 02-25-2018, 01:15 AM
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Old 02-25-2018, 03:48 AM
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I'm not going to quote everyone who quoted me...but all of you are smart enough to realize that my argument is that we were doing the PDGA's job for them by creating a more marketable product, thus increasing exposure for the sport. The media is the catalyst to the rapid growth of this game, the correlation is pretty clear at this point.

If you think I'm obtuse enough to put forth a simplistic argument like "The PDGA's job is to get me paid" or "The PDGA should be helping my view counts" then just don't bother responding, because that shows you don't understand the issue at hand.

The core of the issue is the insult to the people that are literally evolving the culture of the sport before our eyes by the verysame organization which will heavily benefit from our work, despite the manufacturers picking up most of the tab. Not only did they legislate a kneejerk reaction with no communication with media members and/or TD's, but also the extra insult is how toothless and unenforceable the actual written regulation is.

The icing on the cake? The PDGA employees who work the closest with the media had no idea this was coming up. Whoever made this rule did it without even fully consulting within the organization.

That is the problem.

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Old 02-25-2018, 07:33 AM
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Jamie, thanks for the blunt assessment of the situation vis a vis the supercard ban.
The PDGA has always catered to the Pros. After all, it was started by Pros to look after Pro interests.
It is, after all, the PDGA.
One wonders what could have happened if the PDGA had been a bit more visionary and tried to grow the grassroots of the sport, much like soccer, lacrosse, etc.

In any case, the fact that some relatively small set of Pros were able to affect this kind of rule change only reinforces the history and problematic future of the PDGA...

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Old 02-25-2018, 08:49 AM
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The media is the catalyst to the rapid growth of this game, the correlation is pretty clear at this point.
Come on Jamie- you are smarter than that. The tens of thousands of people watching dg video are already into the game and you know it. If you have some stats to prove otherwise I would love to see them.

This game has been growing at relatively the same pace for the 25 years I have been involved in it. Baskets in the ground is what has driven pretty much all of that growth. The increase in views/demand for media is a by product of that- not a cause of it.

Please do not take this as disparagement of what you and the others do- I know you all work hard at it for relatively little tangible reward and produce product well beyond what your budgetary limits would dictate. I am a farmer so lord knows I know about that.

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Old 02-25-2018, 08:49 AM
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you are imagining that. He said on FB that he is not there. Innova/Discmania events prefer exclusive post-produced coverage. This event seems worse than the DGWT events as those had video clips you could watch on the discgolf metrix(see paul getting the 2 on 9 instead of seeing just the number 2), as well as Avery Jenkins and others doing Facebook Live and other short videos. At least then while there wasn't live there was alot of content coming out.
100% agree. Round 2 footage feels like watching a C tier. Too bad there were top level pros on the same course lighting it up for only the spectators to see. Well done innova and jomez.
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Old 02-25-2018, 08:54 AM
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100% agree. Round 2 footage feels like watching a C tier. Too bad there were top level pros on the same course lighting it up for only the spectators to see. Well done innova and jomez.
Maybe they should have played better and gotten on the lead card. I don't think you actually watched the video because Jesse and Nikko were in fact lighting up the course. But I guess you like having Simon, Eagle and Ricky shoved down your throat regardless of what card or how bad they are playing. Give me a break.

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Old 02-25-2018, 09:04 AM
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This might not be the best place for this question, but what is the PDGA's job? Is it to regulate and govern competition or to increase exposure for the sport? Those are not the same goal, and they can come into conflict with each other. Example: The new iteration of the no super group rule. It's a compelling discussion. On an amateur level, I can definitely say that I prefer to be playing with players that are playing well. I don't love being on the same card as the guy who throws a tantrum at every missed putt or drive that hits a tree. At the same time, if I get put on that guy's card, it's up to me to not let it be a distraction and to play well enough to be on a different card for the next round. I'm sure pros also have preferences for who is on their card, and I can see why some pros would be irked about the same 8 or so players being repeatedly selected for feature cards.

For the record, I as a viewer dislike the rule, I see no data backing up the idea that playing on a supercard provides an advantage, and arguments about seeing which lines other players are throwing are stupid.

The more believable argument for me sounds more like this: "Card mates' attitudes can affect a player's mental game. It's luck of the draw for R1 and it is up to the player to overcome that and play his/her own game, but making feature cards takes some of the randomness out of it and concentrates many of the good vibes onto one card." I don't agree with that argument, but I buy it a whole lot more than the so-called advantage of seeing other players' lines.

Back on the tournament, it's been fun to see Nikko play well. He's a polarizing figure to say the least, but I think pro disc golf is more fun when Nikko is playing lead cards. Also interesting to see how things have almost normalized after 3 rounds. We were all baffled by the R1 results due to the wind, but even with some wonky conditions it looks like it'll mostly be the expected top pros near the top of the leaderboard assuming that Paul and Ricky have good rounds today.
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