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Old 11-12-2017, 07:46 PM
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Straight up.

This is why Im not going to help OP out further, OP learned literally nothing from last thread.
The OP would be better off creating threads in the Technique thread. New discs don't help your game.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:18 PM
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Triple B, What Plastic Is the Valkyrie? I have both a Champion glow and a Star version in same wight and the Champion versions require less power to throw. Get a Champion version even glow will be less stable then the Star version.
It's a DX 168g. Again, don't mind the plastic, just something about the disc makes it feel and throw heavier than 168g...maybe it's just me not being able to get it up to speed.

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Old 11-12-2017, 08:27 PM
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What is the next step up from a Leopard in distance if I've got an average 50 year old man's arm speed and want a perfectly straight flight through tightly wooded courses?

I'm looking at a River but didn't know if there is a better/easier/longer option out there.
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I'd suggest trying a Leopard3 and a Cheetah. See how those fly for you in your efforts to nail straight lines. An MVP Relay is in the same speed category and carries extremely well.

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Old 11-12-2017, 08:36 PM
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It's a DX 168g. Again, don't mind the plastic, just something about the disc makes it feel and throw heavier than 168g...maybe it's just me not being able to get it up to speed.

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Then you are not ready for a Valkyrie. Then for me a smaller player at about 2/3 a year into playing I got a DX Valkyrie 170 grams as a 14 year old back in 2004, birthday had not happened yet. I did use it for 2 years till a dog that a fisherman had got lose and was a hunting dog so it took my DX disc and ruined the disc to the point I just threw it away, got my Champion Disc that year in 2005 the JK 5 time disc. I am still small but can use a Champion Destroyer one is 167 grams the main one then a more beefy Champion one with same dome height at 170 grams as my distance discs. I prefer to use the Valkyrie as my distance disc as a Speed 9 or 10 is where I tend to do best with Distance discs, a 12 is on my edge and I can use them better if I get a lighter model like my 167 gram model. I am one of the rare players that can use a Valkyrie into a Headwind as I throw the disc low and flat for the most part unless I need a specific shot.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:42 PM
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Sidewinder or Roadrunner in a reasonable weight like 165-170g. Likely Gstar so they will be mellow. They'll be much more stable than the light DX Sidewinder you have, but not overstable.
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I agree with slowplastic, try an upper 160's Sidewinder, I'd go GStar too.
Just one more quick question: how does weight effect stability? ie: how would a 165-168g DX Sidewinder fly compared to the 152g DX Sidewinder I have?

Just curious as to how heavier/lighter weights of the same disc effect stability.

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Old 11-12-2017, 08:50 PM
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Just one more quick question: how does weight effect stability? ie: how would a 165-168g DX Sidewinder fly compared to the 152g DX Sidewinder I have?

Just curious as to how heavier/lighter weights of the same disc effect stability.

Thank you!

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Lighter weight discs should get more distance, as the same amount of power applied to a lighter disc would get it going faster out of the hand. But while one would think lighter weight would make a disc more understable, in reality that may not be the case. It still depends on how the disc molded up during production. I have a Starlite Valkyrie that flies like... my other, heavier Valkyries.

But one might overpower a lighter disc more easily. And lighter weight discs tend to be affected by wind more, as well.

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Old 11-12-2017, 08:51 PM
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In general, heavier = more overstable.

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Old 11-12-2017, 08:56 PM
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Yeah in general heavier is more overstable, when talking about a significant change. 150 to 165+ is significant, while 165 to 170 is pretty insignificant IME. Wing height or PLH is most important factor, but if two discs have the same PLH and a significant weight difference, the lighter one should be less stable...I haven't really got to throw two discs with identical PLH and plastic type like champ vs. blizzard champ but in same wing height. I do know that a "beefy" 150's star Destroyer does act different than a beefy 170's Destroyer...but they can still be stable.

I would definitely bet on a 165+ DX Sidewinder being noticeably more OS than a 152.

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Old 11-12-2017, 09:10 PM
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...I would definitely bet on a 165+ DX Sidewinder being noticeably more OS than a 152.
Do these physics apply to noodle arm, 50 somethings like me. I get that it works as such for players throwing 50-60+ mph at release. How about us folks that release at 45-50 mph? Does anything change in the equation?

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Old 11-12-2017, 09:14 PM
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Do these physics apply to noodle arm, 50 somethings like me. I get that it works as such for players throwing 50-60+ mph at release. How about us folks that release at 45-50 mph? Does anything change in the equation?

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The physics are still the same, the lower weight makes it slightly easier to get up to speed.

I started putzing with 150 class discs a few years ago, I've found that there are several I really actually prefer to their max weight counterparts. However, in those cases it's because they fly with the same stability, but about 20' longer for me. Most notably in these is the champ firebird, but the 150 class ones of those I have are all pretty flat...
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