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Old 05-18-2018, 10:15 PM
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I had an ESP Surge way back in the day that crushed. Loved it until I lost it. Replaced it with another ESP Surge that was way more overstable and crappy glide. Tried a Z Surge SS to replace the beat ESP Surge I liked, still really HSS and crappy glide.
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Old 05-22-2018, 11:39 AM
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I have a 167 gold line flow that is a pop top and has some PLH that i'm considering sanding away. I'm trying to beat it in but I want to like this disc, but its just a tad too stable for me to get it over 350' like I can with a westside northman or similar discs. My flow flies very similar to my 175 champ wraith without the dumpy fade.

Would you say surges tend to be a bit less stable than the flows and wraiths?
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:09 PM
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I have a 167 gold line flow that is a pop top and has some PLH that i'm considering sanding away. I'm trying to beat it in but I want to like this disc, but its just a tad too stable for me to get it over 350' like I can with a westside northman or similar discs. My flow flies very similar to my 175 champ wraith without the dumpy fade.

Would you say surges tend to be a bit less stable than the flows and wraiths?



Generally, yes. The Surge I keep in my bag is right on the edge of being flippy. It'll turn decently right before coming back at the end of flight.

I actually liked the Flow better than the Wraith. Longer, straighter flight with less low speed fade.

I'd almost caution against sanding away the bottom edge of your disc. Its very easy to ruin discs that way. They get SUPER flippy in no time and then you end up with basically a ruined disc that you can't resell.
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:16 PM
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You and I get the discs from the opposite ends of the cooling room :lol:
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:35 PM
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The numbers and description led me to believe this was gonna be my disc. The one I had was a turd. Should try again.
Not stable or glidey? The flat Flows doesn't really Flow and the domiest are probably as stable as Wraiths (I wouldn't know).

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Eh, who knows. I've always thought L64, Westside, and DD had serious consistency problems. The Flow I threw today was nice, but I bet they're all over the place for stability and glide.
Indeed, I can grab 3 fresh flows in different weights and cover my only 3 DDs...
För clarity, the newest are domey like the 5 year old pop-tops. The best ones are the slightly overstable not domey Sneaky Swede stamped but the fresh one gave me a new distance record.


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I have a 167 gold line flow that is a pop top and has some PLH that i'm considering sanding away. I'm trying to beat it in but I want to like this disc, but its just a tad too stable for me to get it over 350' like I can with a westside northman or similar discs. My flow flies very similar to my 175 champ wraith without the dumpy fade.

Would you say surges tend to be a bit less stable than the flows and wraiths?
Latitude got issues with those trimmings the mold is rounded, if it's sharp I recommend you to sand carefully (fine grained only). As soon as you hit a few rocks it'll develop notebly more turn. Option 2 is to get a 165g.

Note though that they inofficielly tweaked them more stable 2018 (new stamp).
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:42 PM
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I have a 167 gold line flow that is a pop top and has some PLH that i'm considering sanding away. I'm trying to beat it in but I want to like this disc, but its just a tad too stable for me to get it over 350' like I can with a westside northman or similar discs. My flow flies very similar to my 175 champ wraith without the dumpy fade.
Join the club of those that get frustrated with the Flow. Gold Line plastic usually beats in fairly quickly, and I have several Rivers and Furys and a Renegade that are testimony to that. But I couldn't get the Flow to break in, even with a lot of use. So yeah:

Anyhoo, to round out a recent order I got a 158g Opto Air Flow. I owe the Air plastic an apology, as this disc's plastic feels good in the hand and is consistent. (I'd felt Air plastic discs before that felt awful; they upped their game on these newer discs.). The Air Flow flies pretty well for me; it says it's OS on the label, and it does fade at the end, but it gets good distance for me, and if it breaks in it's going to be a bomber...
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Old 05-22-2018, 04:04 PM
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Join the club of those that get frustrated with the Flow. Gold Line plastic usually beats in fairly quickly, and I have several Rivers and Furys and a Renegade that are testimony to that. But I couldn't get the Flow to break in, even with a lot of use. So yeah:

Anyhoo, to round out a recent order I got a 158g Opto Air Flow. I owe the Air plastic an apology, as this disc's plastic feels good in the hand and is consistent. (I'd felt Air plastic discs before that felt awful; they upped their game on these newer discs.). The Air Flow flies pretty well for me; it says it's OS on the label, and it does fade at the end, but it gets good distance for me, and if it breaks in it's going to be a bomber...
I just got an air trespass that just bombs for me. Haven't tried it in the wind, but I kept a regular lucid trespass in the bag for that.

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Old 05-22-2018, 04:14 PM
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I just got an air trespass that just bombs for me. Haven't tried it in the wind, but I kept a regular lucid trespass in the bag for that.
I'm hearing and reading a lot of good things about the Trespass. I found one on my home course recently and threw it a couple of times. It flew surprisingly straight/stable and with great glide, but it was pretty beat in. It was inked, so I made a phone call and arranged to reunite it with its owner, who seemed happy to get it back. So maybe I'll try one, but it's not a priority...
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:38 PM
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I'm hearing and reading a lot of good things about the Trespass. I found one on my home course recently and threw it a couple of times. It flew surprisingly straight/stable and with great glide, but it was pretty beat in. It was inked, so I made a phone call and arranged to reunite it with its owner, who seemed happy to get it back. So maybe I'll try one, but it's not a priority...
A Trespass actually flies like a Flow. Just longer and maybe a hair more glide. New Trespasses can be pretty stable. Put it this way, if I had to pick a Destroyer or Trespass for pure distance I'd take the Trespass. Now, if I had to pick one to maintain a stable flight for a long period of time I'd pick the Destroyer. DD's plastic simply doesn't wear well in terms of maintaining stability.

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Old 05-22-2018, 09:19 PM
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A Trespass actually flies like a Flow. Just longer and maybe a hair more glide. New Trespasses can be pretty stable. Put it this way, if I had to pick a Destroyer or Trespass for pure distance I'd take the Trespass. Now, if I had to pick one to maintain a stable flight for a long period of time I'd pick the Destroyer. DD's plastic simply doesn't wear well in terms of maintaining stability.
One good thing about the Trespass is that the rim is more like the Mystere's than the (wider) Tern. Getting that extra distance and glide with a more comfortable rim would be nice. That's the good. The not-so-good is that I'd likely have to season in the disc, and while Trilogy plastics do wear in quickly, it would still need that work.

So... we'll see...
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